Why is empyrean so angry about lack of loot ?

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SingaporeExiles wrote:

life's is unfair

I forgot about this one lol. Would've been useful to remember when talking to people this league.

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Gopstop22 wrote:

empy is spoiled kid to say the least basically GGG was right to nerf the loot for 6 man party that is for solo play your loot isnt actually nerfed at all but you gotta admit there was simply too much loot drop in 6 man party empy was just doing 100% delirium with alva and shitting few to several magebloods and mirrors every week thats not okay now you actually need put effort to get loot in 6 man party wich is hunting AN touched mobs and dropping 30-50 divines you still can make mirrors every day with group play it just takes more effort now and this is what empy doesnt like becuz he is spoiled

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empy is spoiled kid to say the least basically GGG was right to nerf the loot for 6 man party

I think you meant to say something like "Wahhh! Empy can make more money than me."

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that is for solo play your loot isnt actually nerfed at all

Maybe... "I only ever farm up 20c per day as a maximum and I am still farming up 15c per day so everything is fine,"

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but you gotta admit there was simply too much loot drop in 6 man party empy was just doing 100% delirium with alva and shitting few to several magebloods and mirrors every week

There certainly is an argument for there being too much reward for these types of groups. But the changes affected far more people than just these top-tier groups.

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thats not okay now you actually need put effort to get loot in 6 man party

There was a lot of effort that had to be put in to running these groups already. Do you even have 5 friends? Have you ever tried to get all of them together to work on 1 thing all at the same time? And it's not just go in, do a thing and walk out. This is very dangerous stuff here. The type of stuff you would die to in the first few seconds of the map.

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wich is hunting AN touched mobs and dropping 30-50 divines you still can make mirrors every day with group play

This is the absolute worst, most toxic crap this game has ever introduced. They turned PoE into a lottery system. We no longer get steady progression throughout the game. We can no longer log in for an hour or two and expect any progress. We have to win a lottery to get the right set of mods on a monster within a well rolled map. Oh, and to top it all off we then need to go to a third-party discord server to hire a MF culler group to come in and kill that mob for us.

You do realize that this is where all the RMT are camping right now right? They just bot that channel and when a request comes up they message that player. And since they have the better service they get chosen over other options that only provide a culler and not also a southbound and aurabot player as well.

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it just takes more effort now and this is what empy doesnt like becuz he is spoiled

No, it doesn't make Empy spoiled. It just shows that you lack any real understanding of this game and are way out of your depth.

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Killigan wrote:

Last Epoch is a quite good game similar to POE 2014. Very slow methodical gameplay, tactical combat, meaningful drops.

Yea I have no idea how GGG's "Vision" is going to compete with last epoch, leveling up feels better, item drops feel better, skill customization feels better. They really improved on everything that sold me on PoE 1.0, what kept me here was the 2.0 through 3.13 style gameplay.

i do not watch Empy and find him generally annoying, but people are attacking the person and not the message, which isn't right.

do... people not understand that when you're investing a lot of money in a map you still expect on aggregate there to be profit? or any money into a map?

when Empy and crew are running 6 man parties, they're investing a *ton* of currency into the map. They're throwing all the best scarabs, rolling optimal maps, rolling optimal sextants.

they are getting 250% currency, 112% IIQ and 65% IIR just for partying up but they are also running magic find gear but yet they do not sustain the value of running the map from even the perspective of one person running. So even if those 5 other people did not exist, the one person even with that free magic find is not turning a profit.

when you are running into the negative with that set up... that most optimal set up, EVERYONE is running at a negative. period. not just them, but also you, as a solo player.

what is the point of playing if you eventually just run out of everything trying to optimize return? what is the point of buying the components if there's no return? or collecting things to sell? what's the point of chisels? what's the point of fragments? what's the point of delirium orbs? just to add more stuff to waste your time that doesn't drop anything? just to increase experience? Because that's where POE is at right now. Using these things comes with the expectation of increased reward. If there is no reward then their existence in the game is entirely meaningless.

The game is now about getting to level 100, not really about getting loot. You are just praying to win Chris Wilson's lottery in the meantime.

Empy's complaints about where the game is at matters as much to you as it does to him. If they aren't experiencing reward, you certainly won't.

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Aethur wrote:

I must admit I got a better loot in general gameplay this league.

thx for nerfing those nolifers (less than 1% ofc) who were inflating everything at the expense of every1 else (99% playerbase).

but ofc, those crybaby are making so much noise that we will only remember their lame comments.

Its not only this game, life has become retarded with those youtubers/influencer ruling weak mind opinions.

Stop been brain dead zombies and start thinking by yourself.

keep it up GGG!
(even if I guess you guys will revers it by presure from those bullys...)

It's not even 1%, it's literally 6 people out of 3 million.

I have been hearing that loot is fine for the more average player (the one that just plays the game normally and doesn't invest heavily into content for returns), but like... why does investing have to result in little returns now? One can argue that Empyrian and his group (as well as other groups that aren't in the spotlight) had an effect on me in some way, but... it was never going to be an effect I actually cared about or feel negatively impacted by.

They brought Empyrian closer to my level but I receive no additional benefits, so yay?

from what I've heard loot is not fine for the 'average' player; setting aside that 'average' is ill-defined and incredibly vague. It mostly seems to be a straight up falsehood about the 'average' player having fine loot. Being spread around without any substantive backing.

Average player here. Loot is fine.

Just because you spent 100c on your map while I spent 10c, doesn't mean you get 10x as much loot. Feel like you're paying too much for your winged scarabs and valuable sextant rolls? Just use cheaper ones. Maybe the price will actually fall to something you think is fair!

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Traveler1245 wrote:

Average player here. Loot is fine.

Just because you spent 100c on your map while I spent 10c, doesn't mean you get 10x as much loot. Feel like you're paying too much for your winged scarabs and valuable sextant rolls? Just use cheaper ones. Maybe the price will actually fall to something you think is fair!

you're wrong. You asserting that it is fine is very VERY different from it being fine. Numerous other people say loot is not fine. Why should I believe you over them? What is your methodology? Base of comparison?

It seems to me you're just pushing a view that makes you feel better, rather than trying to look at the data.

Also, the very notion of 'average' is pretty unsound given the vast variance in the game; and the fact that you're claiming 'average' means nothing other than that you have a poor grasp of statistics.

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zlefin_actual wrote:

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Traveler1245 wrote:

Average player here. Loot is fine.

Just because you spent 100c on your map while I spent 10c, doesn't mean you get 10x as much loot. Feel like you're paying too much for your winged scarabs and valuable sextant rolls? Just use cheaper ones. Maybe the price will actually fall to something you think is fair!

you're wrong. You asserting that it is fine is very VERY different from it being fine. Numerous other people say loot is not fine. Why should I believe you over them? What is your methodology? Base of comparison?

It seems to me you're just pushing a view that makes you feel better, rather than trying to look at the data.

Also, the very notion of 'average' is pretty unsound given the vast variance in the game; and the fact that you're claiming 'average' means nothing other than that you have a poor grasp of statistics.

Thats guy is not playing at all, im quit at act5 because cant find any 4link on my way and i still got 2 challenges done. Now look at loot is fine guy, only 1 chall :D