i think the new meta
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The Real Absolute Best Meta Builds Are Never shared. And are all on standard.
(Where the REAL Poe Fans are) haha Last bumped on Aug 18, 2022, 11:20:36 AM
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PoB basically means there are no more "secret" builds anymore.
~ Please separate the PoE1 and PoE2 forums.
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There's so much wrong with this thread, that I don't even know where to begin. If a build is never shared, it will never become "META". It might be the strongest, though. And OF COURSE the strongest builds are in standard where all the juicy legacy gear is.
Sometimes, just sometimes, you should really consider adapting to the world, instead of demanding that the world adapts to you.
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" There is so much wrong with this comment that I do not even know where to start. META does not mean "most played build publicly known to everyone" and never did. So the ammount of people that know the build does not matter. Even your last sentence is at best very questionable because many best builds have only duration of the league, because leagues have unique mechanics and items exclusive to them which only later end up in standard(or void) and often are NERFED after the league so much that no one wants them anymore, along with the build itself. It is nice to have the item from cold league that does +500% increased cold damage, but because (insert any nerfed skill(eye of winter, glacial traps...) lost 99% damage it is not anywhere close to the league performance. But often even the item itself gets stuff like "no longer grants immortality while chilled" change. Lucky items end up as "legacy" without big change (kaom heart) |
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I've had this META-discussion before, and there are several definitions of META out there - so none of us are really correct here. Some use META for the actual meaning of the WORD, some use it as an abbreviation for "Most efficient tactic available" while others have no clue what to define it as. The word/abbreviation can also mean different things depending on the game and the setting.
To me - in PoE - META will always mean the balance between cost and efficiency in a known scenario. META will never mean flat out "strongest" to me. Am I wrong? No, it depends on how you define "META". Also, you questioning the standard comment: Standard crafters will always adapt. Sure, during this league, they didn't have access to the "100% increased global defenses", but now they do - and are making mirror worthy copies with that mod as we speak, combining that mod with other legacy mods like explode and so on. I think it's very safe to say that the potential of a standard build is higher than the potential of a league build. Sometimes, just sometimes, you should really consider adapting to the world, instead of demanding that the world adapts to you. Last edited by Phrazz#3529 on Aug 17, 2022, 3:51:37 PM
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"Can you call META a build that is being played by only 2-3 players? Based on what? |
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I very much believe you that you had META-discussion before, because if you keep using it so arbitrary then I'm sure that other people pointed that out too.
It can backfire and people can tell you this: All words that you use I define as blabity gloob so you are completely wrong. I believe neither of us would enjoy that low level of discussion. You implying that build needs to be shared to be meta in gaming context and i do not care if you want to go with most efficient tactic avaible or metagaming both applies here, you are simply wrong. Please link me to definition of meta that you do not make just now on the spot that does say "gaming meta builds need to be publickly well known" as that was your usage above. You clearly did not mean greek word meta for it is meta not META and meta means "about itself" or "self referential" and again that is meta not META, we both know that you did not mean this greek usage. Also in this context it would make no sense either. To the second part about standard... sure now they have access to x that they did not have before, but ehm you realize that when new league comes the league will have access to Y and standard will yet again lag behind with this Y thing and when the Y thing reaches standard it can again be in nerfed form. So at best you can say the standard has best builds, in conditional case in which leagues do not exist yet (there is often 1 or 2 week break between leagues) or when new league do not introduce any new power creep(which rarely happens and I'm not sure that it actually ever did as of yet) That is also exactly why I called it questionable, because it is true only rarely if at all under very specific circumstances described above. And your red herring did not slip thru my fingers You few minutes ago: If a build is never shared, it will never become "META". You say nothing about "cost" "efficiency" or whatever you want to add now, you are saying that the build needs to be shared to become meta which is the issue i've raised to you.
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Eitheway I drop this discussion/debate here, because some mods are trigger happy. I'm attacking only your argument but it can still possibly get removed to "defend your honor(reputation)" as they say in the code of conduct.
Which is arbitrary line that allows to edit/delete anything ever posted in discussion. I do not know where they keep the reputation measuring device to make these decisions, but i can hope that is is well maitained and up to date. Same for lines: needlessly negative comments, antagonise others in an obnoxious manner, disrupt forum or chat use for others It is by design something unclear, is you saying "there is so much wrong with this thread" needlessly negative? Possibly. But you can see how it is hard to know. So to be on safe side one should simply never reply here, which i believe to be one of reasons for why most people moved to reddit, that at least does not affect their ability to trade. |
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" Yes, based on it being META, quite simple is not it. I've elaborated futher on it already and there is no point in repeating myself. |
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" uhh yes it did hello first time playing online game? Last edited by Deviant#8289 on Aug 17, 2022, 5:11:22 PM
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I question the usage of the word "meta" in a gaming sense in a game that is not a direct competition between players AND there is no shared environment.
Magic the Gathering has a meta. Dota 2 has a meta. Counter Strike has a meta. Chess has a meta. But PoE ? Maybe if you want to stretch the definition... There could be a meta around the economy because some currencies are overfarmed / underfarmed relative to market value. The "metagame" is the influence of players' gameplay on the global gameplay. 3 or 4 players having a "secret meta" would mean these players have enough influence on the global market to strongly influence it. I would estimate for PoE it means they would have to be farming at a rate of 1 mirror per 2 hours. And then again, that's farfetched since it only affects less than 5% of gameplay for 95% of the playerbase. |
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