can hideouts still be stolen?

how is it morally wrong for somebody to use your hideout lmfao, nothing is stopping them from walking around your hideout and doing a video, then replicating it after, just time and effort.

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Rextec wrote:

how is it morally wrong for somebody to use your hideout lmfao, nothing is stopping them from walking around your hideout and doing a video, then replicating it after, just time and effort.

exactly, it would need time and effort. the creator needs time and effort to make it, and if someone is inclined to copy it, im completely okay with him actually investing time to watch every single decor in a video and place it manually. but im not gonna waste 10~20h on a hideout just for someone to steal it with a single command line

think of it this way. imagine stealing an mtx ggg created without paying for it. there is no moral difference really, as you pirated intellectual property without permission (in gggs case you pay for the permission, while in hideout creators case you ask for it). do you think stealing an mtx is fair? cause its pretty much an nft as well, just as the hideout is

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DelveIntoMyAnus wrote:

think of it this way. imagine stealing an mtx ggg created without paying for it. there is no moral difference really, as you pirated intellectual property without permission (in gggs case you pay for the permission, while in hideout creators case you ask for it). do you think stealing an mtx is fair? cause its pretty much an nft as well, just as the hideout is

This is nothing like that. At all. If you are licensing and selling your hideout layout, you are breaking the terms of service in multiple ways. The point of hideout copying is to encourage sharing and creativity, not for you to generate an actionable copyright or revenue-incurring mark. Yikes.

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DelveIntoMyAnus wrote:

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Rextec wrote:

how is it morally wrong for somebody to use your hideout lmfao, nothing is stopping them from walking around your hideout and doing a video, then replicating it after, just time and effort.

exactly, it would need time and effort. the creator needs time and effort to make it, and if someone is inclined to copy it, im completely okay with him actually investing time to watch every single decor in a video and place it manually. but im not gonna waste 10~20h on a hideout just for someone to steal it with a single command line

think of it this way. imagine stealing an mtx ggg created without paying for it. there is no moral difference really, as you pirated intellectual property without permission (in gggs case you pay for the permission, while in hideout creators case you ask for it). do you think stealing an mtx is fair? cause its pretty much an nft as well, just as the hideout is

not at all, if you care that much, don't invite randoms to your hideout. nothing stops somebody from copying hideouts. big difference between mtx and your hideout

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Rextec wrote:

not at all, if you care that much, don't invite randoms to your hideout. nothing stops somebody from copying hideouts. big difference between mtx and your hideout

you do see that not inviting people to a hideout defeats the purpose of a hideout, yes? this can easily be stopped by removing the command, as it was before

oh and if theres a big difference, what is it then? people worked to make both, and both should be given permission in order for someone to use them. i see absolutely no moral difference in stealing those two

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DelveIntoMyAnus wrote:

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Rextec wrote:

not at all, if you care that much, don't invite randoms to your hideout. nothing stops somebody from copying hideouts. big difference between mtx and your hideout

you do see that not inviting people to a hideout defeats the purpose of a hideout, yes? this can easily be stopped by removing the command, as it was before

oh and if theres a big difference, what is it then? people worked to make both, and both should be given permission in order for someone to use them. i see absolutely no moral difference in stealing those two

because you said yourself they can copy your hideout but only if they place stuff on their own, it really ain't that deep. the difference is, i can't customize mtx in game and wear it, that's a BIG difference. idk how you can even put those in the same argument. i don't have a hideout to appease others, i have a hideout because i like looking at it. and it's not really stealing, that's like copying your neighbors holiday decorations

and mtx sales fund game..

i can see wanting to have your own hideout, but that's not possible, even without a command, your only option is to not invite people lol

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DelveIntoMyAnus wrote:

... i, along with many other hideout creators, consider that intellectual theft and will simply refuse to make hideouts under those rules so its their loss. i already dont like the game, so without hideouts i will simply leave the whole thing. i know ggg doesnt care, but neither do i

Playing the game you don't like already sound weird if you ask me, its like eating a cactus while simultaneously complaining about it.

Umm, and as for "intellectual property", its not that simple because you make your "intellectual property" using 3rd party intellectual property which is properly copyrighted, pardon my french. Making say a huge castle from Lego pieces doesn't automatically give you the right to demand that nobody copies it.
Also, subjectively, if you don't want to share your creation with the community it kinda defeats the term of "content creator" itself.

Anyway, if those "many other" do actually exist outside of your head, you can try to make a petition of sort, or write a collective e-mail to Chris Wilson because why not. Its his game, his rules.

I wonder if anyone's won a hideout comp with a stolen hideout :P

I guess it would be pretty dumb to try.

lol this is a really weird conversation.

Hideouts are a feature of the game, just like BUILDS are a feature of the game.

Players copy builds all over the place. No one has EVER complained that their build has been copied.

Yet hideouts deserve different treatment? That logic is severely flawed.

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TwentyFiveEX wrote:

This is nothing like that. At all. If you are licensing and selling your hideout layout, you are breaking the terms of service in multiple ways. The point of hideout copying is to encourage sharing and creativity, not for you to generate an actionable copyright or revenue-incurring mark. Yikes.

i specifically said from a moral, not legal, viewpoint. i would never sell a hideout, but i do like giving unique hideouts to friends and i dont like them being pirated. basically not only can you "encourage creativity" without allowing intellectual theft, but you are actually discouraging creativity because i know a lot of people who now simply refuse to make hideouts

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Rextec wrote:

because you said yourself they can copy your hideout but only if they place stuff on their own, it really ain't that deep. the difference is, i can't customize mtx in game and wear it, that's a BIG difference. idk how you can even put those in the same argument. i don't have a hideout to appease others, i have a hideout because i like looking at it. and it's not really stealing, that's like copying your neighbors holiday decorations

and mtx sales fund game..

i can see wanting to have your own hideout, but that's not possible, even without a command, your only option is to not invite people lol

i meant there is no difference from a moral standpoint, and there really isnt. in your example it would be like stealing a wooden table or a gold bar. sure you can actually make the table if you work for it and you cant a gold bar, but from the moral viewpoint there is zero difference as you are stealing in both cases. and yes i agree that in our case we are talking about piracy and not stealing, but my point stands

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dW2005 wrote:

Playing the game you don't like already sound weird if you ask me, its like eating a cactus while simultaneously complaining about it.

Umm, and as for "intellectual property", its not that simple because you make your "intellectual property" using 3rd party intellectual property which is properly copyrighted, pardon my french. Making say a huge castle from Lego pieces doesn't automatically give you the right to demand that nobody copies it.
Also, subjectively, if you don't want to share your creation with the community it kinda defeats the term of "content creator" itself.

Anyway, if those "many other" do actually exist outside of your head, you can try to make a petition of sort, or write a collective e-mail to Chris Wilson because why not. Its his game, his rules.

people like different things in poe. some do maps, some do delve, some make hideouts. i thought that was the point of the game, to have the ability to choose what you like to do

and yes you can base intellectual property on intellectual property. for example intel makes processors and since they are all based on transistors, should intel not get the credit for making the processors at all?

also the "his game, his rules" is fine by me. except my life, my rules. if ggg doesnt want to listen to feedback, its their right, the same as its my right not to play their game. and im really not the only one who thinks this way, theres a hideout thread out there that mentions the very same thing, and i made this topic before i saw it