PoE will not die. here's why

Well, it can't die.

What is dead my never die.

Game's been dead since forever, just do a forum search for gaem's ded threads.

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Mikrotherion wrote:

Well, it can't die.

What is dead my never die.

Game's been dead since forever, just do a forum search for gaem's ded threads.

This is very valid. Just do a forum search for valid opinion.

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Mikrotherion wrote:

Well, it can't die.

What is dead my never die.

Game's been dead since forever, just do a forum search for gaem's ded threads.

True but its not a deadgame. I play those. Huge difference.

Also I totally resisted the easy GoT reference because they're deadmemes.

I had no idea how much fun using "dead" as a prefix could be. I am sure there was a hyphen at some point. Dead-end, for example. Or dead-wrong. But eh it lacks a certain expedience I think.

Dead game? Says who?

Deadgame. Well shit, guess that's that.

Deadthread.

Oh it sizzles my sweetbreads just tapping it out.

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Some people are right to confuse "new Ascendancy" with "New class", and GGG themselves went to lengths to obscure several of 4.0's starting options. Given it is set 20 years after the Fall of Oriath and GGG want to position 4.0 as a sequel, it IS fair to assume they might be using a few new classes mixed with the old given the original 7 were all socioeconomic products of the "evils" of prelapsarian Oriath.

In fact in that light it wouldn't even make sense to use the same 7 classes would it?

Then there is a logistics issue: GGG almost certainly can't get all 7 original voice actors back. So if you are going to change their origin story and their voice actor, you might as well embrace the future and make them new classes.

Especially when "class" isn't a rigid concept to begin with. A new class for a game where that means a new and unique set of skills and gear (eg Sister of Battle for 40k) is FAR bigger a deal than a new class in a game that uses shared skills and gear.

So honestly, would new starting classes for 4.0 be a huge addition? Not really. I mean it'd be an utter nightmare for the Skilldrasil but eh GGG are smart cookies. I am sure they will figure out an elegant, intuitive solution.

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TheFazzos wrote:

Well, it will feature new classes, a new gem system and a new campaign, and this is only what we know for sure. It is pretty big already. Mind that at the beginning this game did not even have a 10 act campaign and it took years to develop one, so a full 10 act of new campaign is great.

Sorry, not meaning to nitpick but, in the interest of accuracy, the new storyline being introduced will not be 10 acts. IIRC, it will be 8 acts.

PoE will not die because 'It's still here'? By that logic, I won't die. That's like, totally rad.

I am, therefore I won't unbecome.

Based on what source are you people saying it's dying or there will be less players, etc? Steam numbers are growing since start every league. That's a fact. Only because there are more "poe is dead" or "dead league" topics... is't based upon more people are actually playing the game. I've been here since 2013 too and it was always "something is wrong" or "I'm leaving poe, bb". but people will come and go as always. The community is actually much bigger every year tho.

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lukaskodlos wrote:

Based on what source are you people saying it's dying or there will be less players, etc? Steam numbers are growing since start every league. That's a fact. Only because there are more "poe is dead" or "dead league" topics... is't based upon more people are actually playing the game. I've been here since 2013 too and it was always "something is wrong" or "I'm leaving poe, bb". but people will come and go as always. The community is actually much bigger every year tho.

Not really - the most players PoE has ever had was in Ritual (JAN-2021), and has never managed to get to the same player numbers since. The closest the leagues have managed to get was to about the same number on the launch hour (+/- 0.5% of the total), but by the end of the first weekend and then onwards for the rest of the league's duration, no league has matched Ritual's numbers yet.

That's part of where the 'poe is dying' theme is coming from.

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Xyel wrote:

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lukaskodlos wrote:

Based on what source are you people saying it's dying or there will be less players, etc? Steam numbers are growing since start every league. That's a fact. Only because there are more "poe is dead" or "dead league" topics... is't based upon more people are actually playing the game. I've been here since 2013 too and it was always "something is wrong" or "I'm leaving poe, bb". but people will come and go as always. The community is actually much bigger every year tho.

Not really - the most players PoE has ever had was in Ritual (JAN-2021), and has never managed to get to the same player numbers since. The closest the leagues have managed to get was to about the same number on the launch hour (+/- 0.5% of the total), but by the end of the first weekend and then onwards for the rest of the league's duration, no league has matched Ritual's numbers yet.

That's part of where the 'poe is dying' theme is coming from.

Yea but that's exactly the point. 2021 has the most players, not 2013 or 2015-2017... There will be league in the future or maybe Poe 2 itself that will break the record same as happen many times before. So how can people say it's dying because of 1 year... You forgot the point that 2020-2021 was quarantine as well and the numbers was breaking records in every game and platform, including streaming services. Just because no league matched 2021 has nothing to do with poe dying or anything close to it. Is netflix or HBO or any other game dying just because it doesn't have the numbers when world was in quarantine?

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lukaskodlos wrote:

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Xyel wrote:

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lukaskodlos wrote:

Based on what source are you people saying it's dying or there will be less players, etc? Steam numbers are growing since start every league. That's a fact. Only because there are more "poe is dead" or "dead league" topics... is't based upon more people are actually playing the game. I've been here since 2013 too and it was always "something is wrong" or "I'm leaving poe, bb". but people will come and go as always. The community is actually much bigger every year tho.

Not really - the most players PoE has ever had was in Ritual (JAN-2021), and has never managed to get to the same player numbers since. The closest the leagues have managed to get was to about the same number on the launch hour (+/- 0.5% of the total), but by the end of the first weekend and then onwards for the rest of the league's duration, no league has matched Ritual's numbers yet.

That's part of where the 'poe is dying' theme is coming from.

Yea but that's exactly the point. 2021 has the most players, not 2013 or 2015-2017... There will be league in the future or maybe Poe 2 itself that will break the record same as happen many times before. So how can people say it's dying because of 1 year... You forgot the point that 2020-2021 was quarantine as well and the numbers was breaking records in every game and platform, including streaming services. Just because no league matched 2021 has nothing to do with poe dying or anything close to it.

Well, how long does the downward trend need to be?

It's not like Ritual has been an outlier, because the trend has been going for a year and nine months by now...

I mean, day 9 numbers since Ritual:
Day 9 player count
absolute percentage of launch peak
123354 78.5 % Ritual
117332 75.5 % Ultimatum
64799 55.7 % Expedition
84671 57.4 % Scourge
83909 52.8 % Archnemesis
79191 60.4 % Sentinel
76428 50.2 % Lake

It holds for pretty much any day's numbers starting from day 2, so aside from each league's first 2 hours, there're fewer people playing the game than there were pre-Expedition.

It's not like things are catastrophic or anything of that sort, but the trend is there. I remember the days of Ultimatum, when people started talking about a drop in player retention/numbers. Compared to this year's leagues numbers/retention, Ultimatum numbers look downright aspirational.

And it's not like it hasn't had an impact on the game - last 2 leagues' amount of new content is a shadow of the amount of content last year's leagues had.

Sorry dude but you are a clown when you think a few thousand people mean game is dying. Ritual and Ultimatum were in quarantine. You can't really do statistics based on numbers of players playing Poe then.

I only agree in one thing and that's the fact that the game lacks new content. But doing statistics in quarantine and post quarantine is plain stupid.