GGG has done very well optimizing this game

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JoeUtopia wrote:

But that is the exact point of being well optimized. GGG ported to consoles, for example, and still havent figured out how to “best” optimize for that platform. And that isnt the players fault - as you seem to allude to - they did the port, so players should have a reasonable expectation on how it should perform.

I also have a very high end PC and have no issues, but GGG cannot expect the average player to have that level of hardware. I think that is the point.

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CAPSLOCK_ON wrote:

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JoeUtopia wrote:

But that is the exact point of being well optimized. GGG ported to consoles, for example, and still havent figured out how to “best” optimize for that platform. And that isnt the players fault - as you seem to allude to - they did the port, so players should have a reasonable expectation on how it should perform.

I also have a very high end PC and have no issues, but GGG cannot expect the average player to have that level of hardware. I think that is the point.

xbox one is very underpowered and old the game run much better on xbox series x which is to be expected because it's not decade old hardware

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JoeUtopia wrote:

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CAPSLOCK_ON wrote:

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JoeUtopia wrote:

But that is the exact point of being well optimized. GGG ported to consoles, for example, and still havent figured out how to “best” optimize for that platform. And that isnt the players fault - as you seem to allude to - they did the port, so players should have a reasonable expectation on how it should perform.

I also have a very high end PC and have no issues, but GGG cannot expect the average player to have that level of hardware. I think that is the point.

xbox one is very underpowered and old the game run much better on xbox series x which is to be expected because it's not decade old hardware

Well, again, GGG advertises the game for xbox one and ps4.

But, I have a series x, a gig connection and the game still stutters and such frequently. That is the whole point of optimizing to the platform, and frankly, they could do sooooooo much better.

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déspair wrote:

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Off-Topic self-indulgent rant as requested

Last time I played was on ps5 when Expedition landed. I was pretty into D2R at the time and wanted to compare controller layouts. I found the D2R one quite good, very playable, but the PoE remains very awkward imo.

I also quit posting to this forum when I decided to stop playing for good but eh then someone mentioned me or talked about my sword so I was like hi. And it seems some people still welcome my input on the game entire despite me no longer engaging with it. I think there's something ironic in playing one of PoE's metagames here when so much of the game itself is in some form a metagame.

As for why I still post here? Story time!

Long ago, way back in 2013, I was dragged to a local Magic the Gathering tournament by a certain Kiwi despite me no longer playing that either (evil, evil game). I met someone there who didn't play anymore but he loved to immerse himself in the culture, the energy of the scene. He had some idea of who I was in terms of PoE (which was really surprising because at the time no one there seemed to even know who Chris was really, that or they were playing cool around the local celebrity) and we had a really long chat about this idea of outgrowing a socially active game but still enjoying the culture of it. I had no idea that I'd feel just like him nine years later.

Incidentally that dude later gave me a beta Serra Angel based purely on my gushing about it being my favourite MTG card ever. This remains one of the most moving things a stranger has ever done for me. It greatly influenced my own meager attempts at being kind to strangers here in terms of mtxes and GGGold offers.

I will never not care deeply for PoE and GGG -- my way of showing it has just morphed from excessive contributions to excessive criticism. Both are, I think, just funhouse reflections of what I see.

What, did you expect a short answer? :)

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deMoxE wrote:

You can open up google and you will see extreme example of how well optimized looks like. You render as little bloat as it is possible. Obviously video game is a simulation so you can't go that low but still the same rules apply. Your hands are tied to what's physically possible, or in other words more stuff = more steps = more time.

If your engine renders 10.000.000 millions of particles that are overlapping each other and most components are calculated close to main loop frequency then it's hard to say if it is optimized at all. I mean you could at the very least prioritize what's visually important and what isn't.

But all of this cost developers time and money, as such the model applied for PoE is "more is better than less". Such approach can never be aligned with optimizing. Just like you don't paint a picture with 50 layers of paint under each other you don't render millions of stuff under each other. Basically for the same reason google doesn't display 100 search results per page, it takes more time and more resources are wasted.

The two main problems here I'd say without looking under the hood are, they too heavily abuse particle systems which are process heavy. Plus they a mass active objects and collisions that flow in the same river.

And NO this game isn't well optimized, commercial products should run smoothly on high-end machines, and PoE isn't close to that level.

It's still impressive though, the amount of sh*t the engine can render. They just pushed too much in wrong direction (incrementalism).