I would like to take a moment to highlight that in spite of the name of the OP, not a single letter is capitalized. Bravo.
EDIT: On topic though. Relative to where it was, yeah it is a ton better. But this game is far from optimized in any way that I would call "very well" under any definition.
I never drop fps in any impactful way even in packed to the brim cemetery maps with delirium added to them on top of scarab and sextant while having 0.09 attack on lightnng strike if thats not optimized what is? what kinda mega juice are you doing I don't mega juice but Imo it's unfair to shit on ggg because the game doesn't ru the perfectly on mega juiced maps
I don't tend to have any issues solo. But during group play I can start to see the weak spots in performance. I have my doubts that they could make it perform well in those situations even under the best of circumstances because of the sheer number of calculations performed, but I don't know if that gives them a pass on the topic.
I think a well optimized game should perform well on an average to below average machine. That's the real measure from my optic of a game earning the label of very well optimized.
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I would like to take a moment to highlight that in spite of the name of the OP, not a single letter is capitalized. Bravo.
EDIT: On topic though. Relative to where it was, yeah it is a ton better. But this game is far from optimized in any way that I would call "very well" under any definition.
I never drop fps in any impactful way even in packed to the brim cemetery maps with delirium added to them on top of scarab and sextant while having 0.09 attack on lightnng strike if thats not optimized what is? what kinda mega juice are you doing I don't mega juice but Imo it's unfair to shit on ggg because the game doesn't ru the perfectly on mega juiced maps
I don't tend to have any issues solo. But during group play I can start to see the weak spots in performance. I have my doubts that they could make it perform well in those situations even under the best of circumstances because of the sheer number of calculations performed, but I don't know if that gives them a pass on the topic.
I think a well optimized game should perform well on an average to below average machine. That's the real measure from my optic of a game earning the label of very well optimized.
your measurement doesn't take the game into consideration you can't just expect every game to be able to be played on below average pcs that's just unreasonable poe is well optimized for how chaotic things get
i was watching some old path of exile videos and streamers would experience massive lag freezes when opening strong boxes and now i can open one after another in tier 16 maps with boss harbingers popping off eater of world minions spawning and not lag at all ggg gets a lot of hate for how the game performs from 1 league to the other but they've really ironed out the performance even with 0.05 attack time while going through the aforementioned harbingers + eldritch minions + strong box opening scenario i still don't lag this really goes to show how well ggg optimized the game over the years although idk if vulkan ever reached the same smoothness of when it was released in 3.12 before it was released mid 3.12 opening my first delirium since opening the game i would experience heavy stuttering but then vulkan got released and there were absolutely no stutters then ggg did something to vulkan and it started running as well (bad) as dx11 with heavy stuttering when opening delirium but it appears that the game is currently in the best optimization shape it has ever been and i hope ggg doesn't do another patch similar to that vulkan patch which broke the performance again thanks ggg
Not well enough but yeah.
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Well, yeah. It's easy to yearn for an older PoE, at some arbitrary juncture before now, but people seem to forget how much of that 'classic' PoE had desync as its defining feature. The introduction of lockstep over predictive was easily the biggest change the game experienced and it came a lot later than some folks remember.
I don't think any of us who yearn for an older PoE are yearning for desync, freezes, random dcs, 10 fps, reflect packs etc. I would love to play 1.1 again for instance but I think it's obvious that I would like to play it again in a stable environment.
Also desycn isn't completely gone, it's just gone for Lockstep. /oos is still very much a thing for the uber juicers who play the game on Predictive as Lockstep has much worse performance for hyper juiced content and generally has unavoidable micro stutters that Predictive bypasses.
HC balance should be separate from SC I don't care which outdated 1993 game dev philosophy this goes against. youtube/twitch.tv/DESPAIR268
REVERT SUNDER :) REVERT SEISMIC CRY :) REVERT IMPALER :) REVERT GAME :)) MAKE DUALWIELD GREAT AGAIN :)
Well, yeah. It's easy to yearn for an older PoE, at some arbitrary juncture before now, but people seem to forget how much of that 'classic' PoE had desync as its defining feature. The introduction of lockstep over predictive was easily the biggest change the game experienced and it came a lot later than some folks remember.
I don't think any of us who yearn for an older PoE are yearning for desync, freezes, random dcs, 10 fps, reflect packs etc. I would love to play 1.1 again for instance but I think it's obvious that I would like to play it again in a stable environment.
Also desycn isn't completely gone, it's just gone for Lockstep. /oos is still very much a thing for the uber juicers who play the game on Predictive as Lockstep has much worse performance for hyper juiced content and generally has unavoidable micro stutters that Predictive bypasses.
Exactly my point. It's important to remember what it was really like when getting on a boner-rant for the Good Old Days. And I say that as someone who was Kind Of A Big Deal in so-called Good Old Days.
It was still a horrendously poor experience a lot of the time.
As for remnants, eh, I wouldn't know. All I know is that it's better than how it was, unless it's gotten reaaaaal bad. ^_^
If I like a game, it'll either be amazing later or awful forever. There's no in-between.
Well, yeah. It's easy to yearn for an older PoE, at some arbitrary juncture before now, but people seem to forget how much of that 'classic' PoE had desync as its defining feature. The introduction of lockstep over predictive was easily the biggest change the game experienced and it came a lot later than some folks remember.
I don't think any of us who yearn for an older PoE are yearning for desync, freezes, random dcs, 10 fps, reflect packs etc. I would love to play 1.1 again for instance but I think it's obvious that I would like to play it again in a stable environment.
Also desycn isn't completely gone, it's just gone for Lockstep. /oos is still very much a thing for the uber juicers who play the game on Predictive as Lockstep has much worse performance for hyper juiced content and generally has unavoidable micro stutters that Predictive bypasses.
Exactly my point. It's important to remember what it was really like when getting on a boner-rant for the Good Old Days. And I say that as someone who was Kind Of A Big Deal in so-called Good Old Days.
It was still a horrendously poor experience a lot of the time.
As for remnants, eh, I wouldn't know. All I know is that it's better than how it was, unless it's gotten reaaaaal bad. ^_^
Yeah I know, as for the game, it was good when it wasn't malfunctioning, which was rare but still. Speaking of which, do you even play the game nowadays or do you just check in on the game via forums?
HC balance should be separate from SC I don't care which outdated 1993 game dev philosophy this goes against. youtube/twitch.tv/DESPAIR268
REVERT SUNDER :) REVERT SEISMIC CRY :) REVERT IMPALER :) REVERT GAME :)) MAKE DUALWIELD GREAT AGAIN :)
Yeah I know, as for the game, it was good when it wasn't malfunctioning, which was rare but still. Speaking of which, do you even play the game nowadays or do you just check in on the game via forums?
Off-Topic self-indulgent rant as requested
Last time I played was on ps5 when Expedition landed. I was pretty into D2R at the time and wanted to compare controller layouts. I found the D2R one quite good, very playable, but the PoE remains very awkward imo.
I also quit posting to this forum when I decided to stop playing for good but eh then someone mentioned me or talked about my sword so I was like hi. And it seems some people still welcome my input on the game entire despite me no longer engaging with it. I think there's something ironic in playing one of PoE's metagames here when so much of the game itself is in some form a metagame.
As for why I still post here? Story time!
Long ago, way back in 2013, I was dragged to a local Magic the Gathering tournament by a certain Kiwi despite me no longer playing that either (evil, evil game). I met someone there who didn't play anymore but he loved to immerse himself in the culture, the energy of the scene. He had some idea of who I was in terms of PoE (which was really surprising because at the time no one there seemed to even know who Chris was really, that or they were playing cool around the local celebrity) and we had a really long chat about this idea of outgrowing a socially active game but still enjoying the culture of it. I had no idea that I'd feel just like him nine years later.
Incidentally that dude later gave me a beta Serra Angel based purely on my gushing about it being my favourite MTG card ever. This remains one of the most moving things a stranger has ever done for me. It greatly influenced my own meager attempts at being kind to strangers here in terms of mtxes and GGGold offers.
I will never not care deeply for PoE and GGG -- my way of showing it has just morphed from excessive contributions to excessive criticism. Both are, I think, just funhouse reflections of what I see.
What, did you expect a short answer? :)
If I like a game, it'll either be amazing later or awful forever. There's no in-between.
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your measurement doesn't take the game into consideration you can't just expect every game to be able to be played on below average pcs that's just unreasonable poe is well optimized for how chaotic things get
I think a game that doesn't perform well on even reasonably average machines falls short of "very well optimized". I'm not saying the game performs poorly for everyone. It doesn't perform poorly for me.
It's just not deserving of the label you're trying to give.
your measurement doesn't take the game into consideration you can't just expect every game to be able to be played on below average pcs that's just unreasonable poe is well optimized for how chaotic things get
I think a game that doesn't perform well on even reasonably average machines falls short of "very well optimized". I'm not saying the game performs poorly for everyone. It doesn't perform poorly for me.
It's just not deserving of the label you're trying to give.
i think you're being very unreasonable by expecting the most demanding content this game has to offer to run on less than good pcs because there's no magic patch ggg can apply that would make that happen people just have to accept that the higher end gameplay of poe also requires higher end hardware to run it
your measurement doesn't take the game into consideration you can't just expect every game to be able to be played on below average pcs that's just unreasonable poe is well optimized for how chaotic things get
I think a game that doesn't perform well on even reasonably average machines falls short of "very well optimized". I'm not saying the game performs poorly for everyone. It doesn't perform poorly for me.
It's just not deserving of the label you're trying to give.
i think you're being very unreasonable by expecting the most demanding content this game has to offer to run on less than good pcs because there's no magic patch ggg can apply that would make that happen people just have to accept that the higher end gameplay of poe also requires higher end hardware to run it
But that is the exact point of being well optimized. GGG ported to consoles, for example, and still havent figured out how to “best” optimize for that platform. And that isnt the players fault - as you seem to allude to - they did the port, so players should have a reasonable expectation on how it should perform.
I also have a very high end PC and have no issues, but GGG cannot expect the average player to have that level of hardware. I think that is the point.
