Atziri (each version separately) should count as atlas objectives

Running the 4 fragment Atziri should* count as atlas objectives (one for Mortal, one for Sacrifice). I mean if Vaults does, which the only challenge is getting the drop, there's no reason that this can't count as well.

I know, technically it's not a "map", but it's a comparable zone.

* Should meaning "in my opinion, it would be more consistent if..." Not "Should" as in "you're currently doing it wrong", unlike many of the other things I point out which are literally *errors*.

I disagree for the following reasons:

1) reflect mechanic. No other atlas objective has a pseudo-unbeatable mechanic like this baked in.

2) Pale Court, 5-way, simulacrum, etc. all don't count for a reason. They are completely separate from the atlas. Atziri doesn't "occupy" the atlas so why should she count for anything related to the atlas?

3) This argument could be used for Grandmaster's map too which...would SUCK if that became an objective again.

Don't forget that the atlas is a specific piece of lore and there are things like Atziri which are part of a completely different lore.

**Atziri Vaults map came into the game 1.5 years AFTER Atziri, and IS directly related to the atlas lore.

Really not posting here for your random opinion. It was a suggestion to the game devs from another game dev.

Let's dismantle your nonsense point by point, shall we?

Let's start with what the difference would be: "Atlas progression" meaning the atlas points that beef up your atlas. Meaning that before, where there were 117, there'd be 119. So anyone who doesn't get this one (or Uber) would be no worse off than they are now. But it's a bonus to chase.

> 1) reflect mechanic. No other atlas objective has a pseudo-unbeatable mechanic like this baked in.

LOL, yeah, there's nothing like that in the conquerors or the Maven both of whom are essential for progressing the atlas.

Oh, and hey, the various other unique maps with their own bullshit mechanics like the DPS/speed check for "becomes fatal after some time".

But let's say you were completely right in this point. So what? It's a bonus point.

> 2) Pale Court, 5-way, simulacrum, etc. all don't count for a reason. They are completely separate from the atlas. Atziri doesn't "occupy" the atlas so why should she count for anything related to the atlas?

5-way has a reward of *expanding your atlas device* which is already more than a talent point. But yes, Pale Court and Simulacrum could be included.

>3) This argument could be used for Grandmaster's map too which...would SUCK if that became an objective again.

Sure! Let's include GM. You can't beat it? Fine, then you have the game *exactly as it is today*. You are one of the few who can? Well, congrats, enjoy your extra point on the tree.

Your argument here is exactly identical to saying "Levels 96 to 100 shouldn't give talent points, they're too hard for most people."

They are! I'll never grind to 100. But that doesn't mean that the folks who can shouldn't get a reward for doing so.


> **Atziri Vaults map came into the game 1.5 years AFTER Atziri, and IS directly related to the atlas lore.



FALSE

https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Vaults_of_Atziri is patch 0.9.11c

https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Atziri,_Queen_of_the_Vaal is patch 1.1.0

You can't even get the basic facts right.

Nothing you've said is correct.

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You complain when you make a post in the feedback and suggestion forums when someone leaves their feedback?

Whatever.

Anyway, bad idea, don't like it. There is already more than enough "Optional" content thrown into the mix that one needs to do to get skill points for either the atlas or in general. We don't need more layers thrown in. Doesn't make it any more or less "consistent".

No.

And take your own advice, leave the game design to GGG. No, I don't care if you design games in general nor does it make your opinion any more or less valid either. And the mere fact that you resorted to name calling and demeaning someone else's opinion speaks volumes.

> You complain when you make a post in the feedback and suggestion forums when someone leaves their feedback?

It's feedback *for the devs* Not an invitation for your two cents. You were specifically uninvited above, and you chimed in anyways.

> that one needs to do to get skill points for either the atlas

"optional" "needs" pick one. Again, this change would leave the game exactly the same as it is now for anyone who doesn't want to do it, and a couple more points on the atlas for folks who do. You lose nothing. Those who want to do it gain something.

Zero downside from that perspective.

> nor does it make your opinion any more or less valid either.

It means I know what I'm talking about, and you don't. Example: Neither reply has actually posited how the change proposed would negatively affect them if they just ignored the optional extra point. No downside, all upside. But you still want to "status quo is god" respond, even without any actual downside. That makes YOUR opinion "less valid".

> And the mere fact that you resorted to name calling and demeaning someone else's opinion speaks volumes.


I sent this as a message to the designers in the designated place for such. I put down a nonsense opinion that was worth exactly what I said about it.

Just like yours, unnecessary, adds nothing, misunderstands the impact.

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Just like yours, unnecessary, adds nothing, misunderstands the impact.

That's where you are wrong. It lets GGG know there are at least 2 of us who don't like your idea for the game.

Telling people NOT to post their opinion just because it doesn't line up with yours is laughable.

Your opinion is irrelevant when you can't back it with any reason. I've pointed out three times that the idea has no downside, only upside for players. You have ignored those prompts to provide one. You have no reason other than "inertia".

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I didn't tell you not to comment because you disagree with me. I told you not to comment because you have *no basis* for your disagreement.

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ROFL

And as far as I am concerned, your opinion is wrong.

So, what's next? NOTHING you say will ever make your opinion right in my view. I am free to post on this forum just like anyone else and just like you in making your post. If you wanted it to be seen just by GGG, then next time, email them. Or, get used to the idea that not everyone is going to like your ideas and disagree with you when you post it.

This isn't your forum. You do not get to dictate who posts to which threads.

Take the hint.

> So, what's next? NOTHING you say will ever make your opinion right in my view.

There's a term for that, too. If you can't be convinced by anything anyone says, that's a problem all on its own.

"Your opinion is wrong because I say so" still isn't a valid argument, either. Unlike you, I pointed out *why and how* your opinion was wrong.

You still can't even muster that.


You're right about one thing. I can't dictate to you that you *can't* post on my thread. I can shoot down your ill-formed nonsense and point out that I'm not interested in your feedback.

But you *insist* on going where you're not wanted. Keep thinking. I'm sure the term for your behavior will come to you.

And I pointed out already why I think you are wrong. And your explanation is sorely lacking. I do lose "something". I'd lose out on those 2 points on the tree. The game is fine where it is in this regard.

You just can't seem to grasp the concept that someone doesn't agree with you.

Have fun living with that "I am always right" schtick. I am sure it'll take you places.