Story changes in epilogue [Opinion / Suggestion].

GGG gave the same treatment they gave to elder/shaper. sirus is now gated behind fragments and conqueror maps.

you still can get to sirus but with more rng involved.

to be honest its EASY to get sirus now compared to before. you can skip all the drama and just buy his fragments.

i've never gotten past level 95 and i think one reason has to do with sirus. when he was introduced, it was a big waste if you did not kill him, but trying to kill him was risky. so were his conquerors. also influenced maps could be cancer (actually all are fine except baran. fuck baran and his fucking mana squares that last forever).

theres not much story to be told of sirus to be honest, the only main caveat is, you no longer have access to "awakening 1 sirus".

all in all besides his offscreen die beams and some hugeass balls of death that sometimes just makes you unable to go anywhere, Sirus is my favourite boss.

his attitude, his mechanics (except the aforementioned), and damn his music. really love the music. a lot of people love the new exarch music, i too love it but i still prefer sirus's music.

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They need to update/recycle the plots every so often (...)

I'm fine with that:

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I'm happy with POE state :D

but after years of learning I cannot accomplish my goal, which is ONLY story related.

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It'd just be too much effort for the devs to implement (...)

Is adding one quest-line from old Atlas that difficult? I mean I haven't seen the code / engine, but to be clear I don't want to change any mechanics.

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you can skip all the drama (...)

But I don't want to! The drama (story) is part of the fun for me :D

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Pizzarugi wrote:

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neohongkong wrote:

The answer will be no.


Who want to farm 16 watchstones again?

Me.

Beats having to fight Uber Elder and Maven to get all maps to T14+ like before.

I agree, basic map progression shouldn't be locked behind that wall, If GGG thinks t16 maps are the real endgame then i must be a god tier pro because outside of very minor dps checks red maps are not "the endgame" for me... The final tier of maps i'll run sure but not the hardest content i'll face.

Its the Juice that really matters and just having access to t16 maps isnt going to provide you with that juice.. so i don't get it.

Uber-Elder needs to eat my butt and go back to being extreme-lategame content and put NORMAL elder in the damned storyline for the watchstones.

The only mechanic I miss from way before is the Elder/Shaper influnece areas on the Atlas. It felt alive and evolving. But I also do miss the old storylines for all Sirus, Elder and Shaper. I wish they could be evolved and incorporated to the current Atlas story, but I think GGG is going to continue with the neverending soap opera. Time moves only forward.

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kmega wrote:

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Who want to farm 16 watchstones again?

Why not leave both atlases available? That would satisfy all players tastes, plus GGG could cross-reference data on how many players were grinding on which atlas as to improve future content.

Path of exile is a game as service, to some extent.

like, i would love to play legacy again, bu for that i am a couple of weeks too late, that's how it is.

also you have to keep in mind that the engine this game is running on, is pretty much from 2007/ 2008
heavily modified so we have todays state.

now... if the game was running perfectly fine in every single aspect, you surely could go and say, hey lets have 2 atlasses, yet, this undertaking is more of a copy paste thing. Chris said something about how the database structure kind of is the games knife in the back is at times - but it is how it is, it is how the engine works. so for now you can totally lay down any optimism about that "Path of exile classic" idea.

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SilentSymphony wrote:

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Pizzarugi wrote:

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neohongkong wrote:

The answer will be no.


Who want to farm 16 watchstones again?

Me.

Beats having to fight Uber Elder and Maven to get all maps to T14+ like before.

I agree, basic map progression shouldn't be locked behind that wall, If GGG thinks t16 maps are the real endgame then i must be a god tier pro because outside of very minor dps checks red maps are not "the endgame" for me... The final tier of maps i'll run sure but not the hardest content i'll face.

Its the Juice that really matters and just having access to t16 maps isnt going to provide you with that juice.. so i don't get it.

Uber-Elder needs to eat my butt and go back to being extreme-lategame content and put NORMAL elder in the damned storyline for the watchstones.

who said red maps are endgame?

maps are content where you gear up for the endgame...

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SquareCubiC wrote:

who said red maps are endgame?

maps are content where you gear up for the endgame...

Then red maps shouldn't be locked behind two endgame bosses, yes? :P

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The only mechanic I miss from way before is the Elder/Shaper influnece areas on the Atlas. It felt alive and evolving. But I also do miss the old storylines for all Sirus, Elder and Shaper. I wish they could be evolved and incorporated to the current Atlas story, but I think GGG is going to continue with the neverending soap opera. Time moves only forward.

Pretty much how I feel about this, although I have to add that the story, atmosphere and boss build-up were top-notch :D

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Who want to farm 16 watchstones again?

Why not leave both atlases available? That would satisfy all players tastes, plus GGG could cross-reference data on how many players were grinding on which atlas as to improve future content.

Path of exile is a game as service, to some extent. (...)

Three months later I can say that I blundered with this suggestion so this option is off the table.

Still, considering the effort GGG took, sudden removal of canon story is a weird move.

As for more subjective counter-point - I wanted to beat Sirus and finish his storyline, but since my goal is blocked I'm discouraged from getting into POE again :C

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kmega wrote:

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The only mechanic I miss from way before is the Elder/Shaper influnece areas on the Atlas. It felt alive and evolving. But I also do miss the old storylines for all Sirus, Elder and Shaper. I wish they could be evolved and incorporated to the current Atlas story, but I think GGG is going to continue with the neverending soap opera. Time moves only forward.

Pretty much how I feel about this, although I have to add that the story, atmosphere and boss build-up were top-notch :D

You, my friend, know what I'm talking about. The old bosses had more effect on the other characters, and to our world. They also achieved some of their goals and felt more impactful. Though this could be retconned though having The Envoy enter our world and interact with others as a mediator between them and the Maven. GGG even had The Envoy enter our world in the 3.17 trailer.

Content gating aside, Zana was the only notable character in poe, actually having some complexity and controversity in her, while others are just click sticks with "good/evil" labels. GGG should add more characters like her, not remove her from the game.

If only a small part of busted overcomplex webbing design practices were diverted towrards story, we would have a DnD grade political plot here, instead of skipping all dialogs starting from A1:)

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You, my friend, know what I'm talking about.

Wish more people knew :v

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Content gating aside, Zana was the only notable character in poe, actually having some complexity and controversity in her (...)

Other characters might be not notable, but they're complex. However I agree that Zana was the most complex of the bunch.

With that said, the recent story negligence doesn't sit right with me, so I guess it's a waiting game now :p