why not duel wield shields...

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I want to dual wield helmets please.

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When it comes to D&D rules. It depends how far back you go. AD&D owned by TSR and thus the real creators had very different rules on Shields than 3e and onward owned by WoTC.

AD&D Rules state:
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Attacks from the rear or rear flanks cannot be blocked by a shield (exception: a shield slung across the back does help defend against rear attacks).


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Small Shields / Bucklers are worn by crossbowmen and archers with no hindrance. Its small size enables it to protect against only one attack per melee round


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Medium shields are carried in the same manner as the small shield. Its weight prevents the character from using their shield hand for other purposes. With a medium shield, a character can protect against any frontal or flank attacks.


More specific to what I think your example is stating for 3e or 5e where a Shield provides 'Deflection' AC bonus. It does not stack simply because only one source of an AC type (the highest) is used.

At any rate. While duel wielding small shields is possible, it's not practical for melee. Against ranged a medium shield, Targe or similar would provide all the protection needed while encumbering melee.

Weapons like Armored Katars or the Roman Scissors where created for purpose of combining parry capacity to the arm while maintaining striking ability. However they're useless against range.

Then we have the Spiked Shield. Never let a game fool you into thinking a shield is not a weapon. They are and they can do serious damage. To do so though, they need to be big thus you're back to the medium shield issue where it's pointless vs range and would encumber you in melee.

I'm not trying to history quote in a fantasy game. This is both historical and practical purpose.
There just isn't one unless you are considerably wide or non-humanoid in shape.
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Xzorn wrote:
When it comes to D&D rules. It depends how far back you go. AD&D owned by TSR and thus the real creators had very different rules on Shields than 3e and onward owned by WoTC.

AD&D Rules state:
Spoiler
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Attacks from the rear or rear flanks cannot be blocked by a shield (exception: a shield slung across the back does help defend against rear attacks).


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Small Shields / Bucklers are worn by crossbowmen and archers with no hindrance. Its small size enables it to protect against only one attack per melee round


"
Medium shields are carried in the same manner as the small shield. Its weight prevents the character from using their shield hand for other purposes. With a medium shield, a character can protect against any frontal or flank attacks.


More specific to what I think your example is stating for 3e or 5e where a Shield provides 'Deflection' AC bonus. It does not stack simply because only one source of an AC type (the highest) is used.

At any rate. While duel wielding small shields is possible, it's not practical for melee. Against ranged a medium shield, Targe or similar would provide all the protection needed while encumbering melee.

Weapons like Armored Katars or the Roman Scissors where created for purpose of combining parry capacity to the arm while maintaining striking ability. However they're useless against range.

Then we have the Spiked Shield. Never let a game fool you into thinking a shield is not a weapon. They are and they can do serious damage. To do so though, they need to be big thus you're back to the medium shield issue where it's pointless vs range and would encumber you in melee.

I'm not trying to history quote in a fantasy game. This is both historical and practical purpose.
There just isn't one unless you are considerably wide or non-humanoid in shape.


good points. but... d&d also has class restrictions on equipment. poe has absolutely none. nor does it have any type of encumbrance other than a speed mod that may slow you down. any character can equip and use any item in the game with stats being the only restriction and it's extremely easy for any character to acquire the needed stats.


chance to block, evasion, energy shield, reflect... all shield/armour mods


clearly not any type of shield but has energy shield and chance to block.

what i don't understand is that block is an item/gear stat. so why not duel wield shields ;)
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If I designed a game, I would never let players dual wield shields. It is a terrible idea.

You are going to box with your fists while carrying shields? No one does such a thing in real combat.
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the idea is nearly as stupid as using to crossbows/bows at once...
sure you could fire a small crossbow with one hand,but you cant reload them...

same can be said for using 2 twohand weapons at once...
it isnt physically impossible,it just doesnt make sense
they would neither hit hard nor would you be able to use them properly because their weight is balance for 2 hands
well to be fair, using 2 shields probably is more efficient than using 2 swords... in real life.

dual wield in general is silly if u think about, its ALWAYS better to use a shield or a longer weapon (spear, polearm, pike etc) in formation.

Dual daggers or 1 sword and 1 dagger can work and were used especially as self defense, duels, and old manuals even have fight tecniques about it. But dual wield normal wep are pure hollywood shenanigans
I could see, say, a Buckler/Spirit Shield paired with a non-Tower Shield for unarmed builds, or even a Necro build looking to add a little more defense to their main character while the minions do their thing. But beyond that, the concept is ludicrous.

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Dual daggers or 1 sword and 1 dagger can work and were used especially as self defense, duels, and old manuals even have fight tecniques about it. But dual wield normal wep are pure hollywood shenanigans


This, I would be in favor of though. Being able to pair specific dagger types with a one-handed weapon. Could offer an implicit that either offers chance to Block or to improve/modify counterattacks normally associated with shields. Said Daggers could also roll certain defense modifiers, albeit in a more limited capacity than traditional shield.
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Double Aegis Aurora/Saffel/Prism Guardian would be quite strong for aura bots and summoners. Double Light of Lunaris would probably be better then most wand/shield combos for casters. Hard to balance in my opinion.
there is actually some very interessting historical bits and pieces to be found about dueling shields.

for example (and there is loads more if you google a bit for dueling shields):



source: https://imgur.com/gallery/Y4hS8zo

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For a time in Europe, the dueling Long Shield was popular. The shields themselves were often deadly weapons, not just a simple defense. Though often used with other weapons, the size often meant combatants would drop blades or maces and use the shields to batter, stab, and wrestle one another. This was popular in various regions, though more so in northern Europe. Gradually they were supplemented with Sword and Buckler, or less the lethal stick fighting, before the eventual unset of firearms.

The strangest ones though was one German depiction I had seen years ago, but can no longer find. A strange non lethal form of civil dueling involving no armor. They used a long duel shield with no stabbing points, but a huge hallow hook from which to wrestle your opponent down, and pin said opponents neck into the ground (hopefully not breaking the neck in the process) to elicit a forfeit.

There is a current attempt to reconstruct and revive these ancient shield duels by martial arts practitioners much like Bartitsu practitioners.


And in the light of this topic; i do find it a pretty interesting thing to look at; a 2 handed shield? why not? looking at these historical things, not not even such a crazy idea in relation to the fantasy world of PoE.
i can imagine this would make such a great weapon for cyclone, providing poth offence and defense, and it can even be categorized as "2 handed weapon" zo its compatible with loads of passives on the tree, both offensive as defensive.
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