Let's see some financial statements.

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Broken record

how broken?
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DarthSki44 wrote:
That's not exactly how it works.

GGG used to be a privately held company. Currently they are a portfolio business owned by a publicly traded, international company. If you want to invest or trade in GGG stock you cannot, you do so with their owner, Tencent.

That said GGG physically operates in NZ, which have requirements for internationally owned companies (not to mention Tencent is publicly traded, and is the actual owner)

Perhaps we are battling semantics here, because I believe you are saying they must report, which is what I'm also saying, but it's doing so because of their ownership status. If it was a truly, privately owned, NZ company, they would not have to do so.

Again, GGG is allowed to operate under their name and license as it was apparently agreed upon in the western realm control, but dont be mistaken. From a technical standpoint, GGG isnt really its own company anymore. Its Tencent. I wont claim to know the specifics of the operating agreement, but let's not distracted into thinking that GGG took some publisher money to help with the PoE development future. The company was sold.

Yes, I think we are battling different definitions (private vs public) here. Regardless, private companies' equity is not traded on the market; yes you can indirectly invest through the parent company but that is taking on additional risk of the parent company. I am okay viewing this differently.

Regarding how GGG operates, yes it's a subsidiary of Tencent (legally). Currently they are taking somewhat of a backseat in terms of decision making. They may push for certain levels of operating margin (which explains the rising MTX prices) but this is speculative but makes economic sense.

Regarding selling the majority stakes to Tencent, Chris's team cashed out their position in the company. GGG did not receive funding from Tencent.

Let's end this discussion, I think we are roughly on the same page here.
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Shagsbeard wrote:
Wow. A whole $50. Thanks for supporting.


Considering the poster, I doubt he has paid any.
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From a technical standpoint, GGG isnt really its own company anymore. Its Tencent.




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Regarding how GGG operates, yes it's a subsidiary of Tencent (legally). Currently they are taking somewhat of a backseat in terms of decision making. They may push for certain levels of operating margin (which explains the rising MTX prices) but this is speculative but makes economic sense.



I would say the shop items where always overpriced, but what changed is the sheer amount of MTX sales in the first week before and two weeks after a new league. It's like opening the flood gates for ideas how to monetize different aspects of the game that have not been already.

Armour sets and back attachements got old after some time, so why not just copy and paste boss arenas / campaign zones and call it a day for hideouts or the newest invetion, cursors.

Wonder whats next. Custom loading screens for triple G coins?

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Last "supporter" pack: 2017

Overall: I would say around 200-250$

My personal guess for 2020-2021: 40-45 million $ profit after taxes
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gargemell311 wrote:
Tencent has been listed on the Stock Exchange of Hong Kong since 2004.

Public companies are listed on stock exchanges and as such must report financials to stock holders. Due to this public disclosure we will see the financials.


You're not entitled to a per entity description of everything Tencent owns though. When they report, they report by division of their company, in which GGG would be included in the same portfolio as games like League of Legends and Dungeon Master. They'll describe performance in general of each company in that sector, but they don't break down financials. They then public a general balance of accounts.

Only GGG itself lets out dissected financials.
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gandhar0 wrote:


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First time spending: 2012 (5$ Beta Key)
Last "supporter" pack: 2017

Overall: I would say around 200-250$

My personal guess for 2020-2021: 40-45 million $ profit after taxes


2020 was 116 mil revenue, $51.88 mil profit.

2021 was at least $56 mil profit.
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rekikyo wrote:
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gandhar0 wrote:


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First time spending: 2012 (5$ Beta Key)
Last "supporter" pack: 2017

Overall: I would say around 200-250$

My personal guess for 2020-2021: 40-45 million $ profit after taxes


2020 was 116 mil revenue, $51.88 mil profit.

2021 was at least $56 mil profit.


yearly "profit" for a company doesn't mean anything. you need the whole business plan for a longer time frame to evaluate how the company is doing.

best example is big american corporations not paying taxes in europe,

if you take their stated european profits as a sign of business health, they would have needed to be closed years ago.

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and i would also argue that poe2 does cost them much more than 50 mil.
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Lots of numbers from 2020's financial report but no nudes of Chris Wilson? Damn, boring.
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