Every time I try Uber Atziri on a character, it makes me want to quit PoE.

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dorkdude2 wrote:


Oh, the thing I literally mentioned in my original post?

Thanks, man.
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Exile009 wrote:
I'm well aware of the OP's history. I was simply observing that that's what all his threads always turn into, whether justified or not. My point wasn't that he had a point, but that despite that very history existing as a testament to the futility of the endeavour, people STILL keep responding to it. Much like how despite Kopo doing the same schtick over and over for ages and getting called out on it every time but never changing, people still keep taking the bait.

Basically, if you think Shady is poor for always coming to the forums with his issues, what of the people who can't seem to leave those threads alone? Even if you think Kopo is messing with us, what of the people who allow it to draw them in despite knowing his reputation? Are they really the only ones with a problem here? Cos I'd say they're not the only ones repeating the same acts.

A smarter community would, knowing the history, know to just ignore it. But we don't see that. So much so that at this point I no longer bother calling for it on Kopo's threads, rather I'm happy to join in on the clusterfuck since I know it'll exist regardless of what I do or don't do. Might as well have some fun. Shady's threads are sadder tho, there's no fun in beating down on him. Hence, as I know they won't be left alone either, I tend to empathize with him. He's not going to stop, so what point is there in bashing him every time?

It just seems sadistic, as if they do it just cos they enjoy dunking on him. There's certainly no productive reason to do it, as he's amply shown by now.


I completely agree with all of this, except for the assumption that everyone responding is aware of OP's post history and/or can be reasonably expected to look it up. I'm certain you're right and there's some amount of bullying going on, but most of the replies are probably well-intentioned. It's a very real problem in this community that the bar has been set incredibly low; I've seen people unironically complaining about dying to oneshots without capped elemental resists more than once. So leaving a particular poster's specific history out of the equation, there's very little I wouldn't believe this community capable of. Incapable of? My point is, you have to lower your expectations going in, and when you operate under the general assumption that people around you are drooling mouth-breathers it's harder to see a thread like this for what the poster's history would suggest.
The title is a bit misleading because as far as I understand your complaint is that CB immunity is mandatory? Btw you don't need a jewel for the trio fight, something like this would be good enough if you have decent dps to kill him before running out of charges. Sirus fight kinda demands perma CB immunity however.



The reflect on uber atziri is kinda stupid and should be removed though imo. Reflect immunity is much harder to get on most ascendancies.
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Nubatron wrote:
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Exile009 wrote:
inb4 this becomes another Shady-bashing thread. It never fails, much like how Kopo's schtick has continued working here time and time again. C'est la guerre.


These threads don't exist in a vacuum. The history of a poster carries baggage, and OP has a history of blaming the game for their own shortcomings.

Even though OP has a valid point about the game semi-requiring absolute immunity against certain things, like corrupted blood, that history will inevitably come into play as it becomes a credibility problem. You mentioned another person that has a very similar issue. They both could come in here and say something that is universally accepted and approved by the community, and still hit a wall because of their history....both the OP and the person you mentioned.

On this particular thread, I think the point falls apart a little bit since we're talking about uber content. Uber end game requires extremes, because it is supposed to push the limits of what is necessary, whereas the rest of the game you can get away with not being immune to corrupted blood. So it is not a universally accepted truth, and therefore potentially deserves some of the harsh feedback -- OP's history aside.



Yeah, well, there's a name for what you're describing. Maybe you've heard of it? That word is fallacy.




Attack the words, not the person. No conversation point should ever have baggage from elsewhere.
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stalkingjackal wrote:
The title is a bit misleading because as far as I understand your complaint is that CB immunity is mandatory? Btw you don't need a jewel for the trio fight, something like this would be good enough if you have decent dps to kill him before running out of charges. Sirus fight kinda demands perma CB immunity however.



The reflect on uber atziri is kinda stupid and should be removed though imo. Reflect immunity is much harder to get on most ascendancies.



Well hey, speaking of my post history, I've made posts about the state of reflect before.

I think reflect should either be removed from the game altogether, or ADD it to the game everywhere, making it a monster affix etc, and giving a LOT more sources of immunity to it. (Hopefully without cluttering the item affix pool, lol.)

As it is right now, it's so rare, almost exclusively showing up as a map mod that you can reroll (although also invalidating playing unid maps btw, which should be seen as a problem), or it's in the Atziri zone. And the amount of reflect reduction sources can probably be counted on one hand?




It's just super inconsistent, and yet another example of something you need immunity to or you have to avoid it.




On the topic of CORRUPTED BLOOD, I can actually make my Raider immune right TF now. I forgot that I am currently immune to hinder and maim, cuz I want to zoom zoom freely, and my brain threw away the knowledge of this mastery node altogether. And, again, I figured 35% reduction of CB damage, 20% reduction of debuff duration, and max 5 stacks of CB would be enough. Which it was not. And was part of my OP's complaint.




Anyway... I'm at least glad that some posters in here not only agree with my complaint in the OP, but can also see that a lot of PoE posters fallacy me a lot. Always good to get that reminder that I'm not crazy.

I do complain a lot, yes. But what's honestly wrong with that? How else do you voice to a company that you think things need some changes? If you want, I can post any time I go a whole hour without the game making me feel bad for playing, to mix in some positivity.
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DoubleU wrote:
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PyleWarlord wrote:
just imagine if you could get immunity from the tree or something


I told him about this in another thread.
My kids don't listen sometimes too ;)

P.S. @ShadyC - why are you only running three flasks on your Raider?



I'm actually glad you asked this, I think in a way previous thread of mine where I was asking for help on one of my other characters, people saw a non-5 number of Flasks and thought I was handicapped.




I play Brutal Restraint for the Traitor keystone. It gives me +4 Flask charges every 5 seconds for each empty Flask slot. So with my Flask setup, I'm getting a BIG chunk of DPS (which my build sorely needs), but also even elemental defenses, taking 10% Less hit damage from the 3 elements.
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ShadyC wrote:

It's just super inconsistent, and yet another example of something you need immunity to or you have to avoid it.



i agree with you on this. reflect is way overtuned in the current state of the game. there used to be a time where you would have vaal pact CI builds that could survive double reflect (when it used to also be monster affix) at 36% by simply outleeching it. this is completely impossible with current levels of dmg, where builds with mediocre dmg are completely unable to leech or recover through it

i would be satisfied with reflect being brought down to like 1% or something, make it managable without full immunity
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ShadyC wrote:
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DoubleU wrote:
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PyleWarlord wrote:
just imagine if you could get immunity from the tree or something


I told him about this in another thread.
My kids don't listen sometimes too ;)

P.S. @ShadyC - why are you only running three flasks on your Raider?



I'm actually glad you asked this, I think in a way previous thread of mine where I was asking for help on one of my other characters, people saw a non-5 number of Flasks and thought I was handicapped.




I play Brutal Restraint for the Traitor keystone. It gives me +4 Flask charges every 5 seconds for each empty Flask slot. So with my Flask setup, I'm getting a BIG chunk of DPS (which my build sorely needs), but also even elemental defenses, taking 10% Less hit damage from the 3 elements.


Good to know.
My other point from before is CB is free on the tree for you, just switch the mastery.
~ Please separate the PoE1 and PoE2 forums.
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ShadyC wrote:
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Nubatron wrote:
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Exile009 wrote:
inb4 this becomes another Shady-bashing thread. It never fails, much like how Kopo's schtick has continued working here time and time again. C'est la guerre.


These threads don't exist in a vacuum. The history of a poster carries baggage, and OP has a history of blaming the game for their own shortcomings.

Even though OP has a valid point about the game semi-requiring absolute immunity against certain things, like corrupted blood, that history will inevitably come into play as it becomes a credibility problem. You mentioned another person that has a very similar issue. They both could come in here and say something that is universally accepted and approved by the community, and still hit a wall because of their history....both the OP and the person you mentioned.

On this particular thread, I think the point falls apart a little bit since we're talking about uber content. Uber end game requires extremes, because it is supposed to push the limits of what is necessary, whereas the rest of the game you can get away with not being immune to corrupted blood. So it is not a universally accepted truth, and therefore potentially deserves some of the harsh feedback -- OP's history aside.



Yeah, well, there's a name for what you're describing. Maybe you've heard of it? That word is fallacy.




Attack the words, not the person. No conversation point should ever have baggage from elsewhere.


I think you missed the point of my post. I wasn't saying you were wrong because of your other threads. I was just simply stating why you tend to get the treatment that you do in one of the threads where you're not completely off base. To be clear, I think end game needing more thought than just running a typical map, and Uber Atziri is one of the extremes of POE end game. You know how to combat it, yet refuse to make special arrangements to accommodate an end game boss.

I don't think that's reasonable on your part.

But I do agree with you that your stance in prior threads has no direct influence on you being right or wrong in this thread, even if I think you're off base in this thread as well.
Thanks for all the fish!
Last edited by Nubatron#4333 on Jan 4, 2022, 4:40:04 PM
Keep in mind I DID take precautions against Corrupted Blood. That's a large part of my complaint.

I did take precautions against Corrupted Blood.

I will say it twice, because multiple people need reminding of it.




I Pantheon'd for it. 35% reduced damage from CB, 20% less duration of ALL debuffs, and even theoretical capping of CB stacks to 5. This is a LARGE amount of resistance to CB. And as I mentioned, it's been enough in all of the T16 maps I've been playing. So I entered Uber Atziri to see how I would do, not even thinking that CB would be the problem.

And then it was.

And that's what set me off. All of the above resistances to CB wasn't even enough. You flat-out need immunity to it. Yes, immunity is easily obtained. That is not the point, and so it is you who missed the point here.

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