Will it ever be multiplayer friendly again?

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ciel289 wrote:

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Crosaith wrote:

Adding some optional multiplayer content that's designed around team play would be cool. It can have some unique co-op-focused items as rewards.

no idea why ppl keep bringing thatidea up...
poe is not the type of game for "raidbosses" etc

multiplayer already has enough advantages (ofc it has a drawback too like more skill effects on the screen)

any kind of multiplayer only content (with the exception of pvp where no items drop) would make me stop supporting ggg and i´m pretty sure there are other players out there that think the same way about this

I'd stop supporting them. Party play in this game is highly unintuitive compared to others like Warframe. Punishing me more than I already am (no loot bonuses solo) for not having friends or being part of a guild would bother me.

Cros wants to say it's selfish of us to not want this. I say it's selfish to want to implement content that would be exclusionary to solo players. There's nothing stopping party players from joining people right now. The same can't be said for solo players who want to participate in whatever would be group activities.

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Pizzarugi wrote:

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ciel289 wrote:

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Crosaith wrote:

Adding some optional multiplayer content that's designed around team play would be cool. It can have some unique co-op-focused items as rewards.

no idea why ppl keep bringing thatidea up...
poe is not the type of game for "raidbosses" etc

multiplayer already has enough advantages (ofc it has a drawback too like more skill effects on the screen)

any kind of multiplayer only content (with the exception of pvp where no items drop) would make me stop supporting ggg and i´m pretty sure there are other players out there that think the same way about this

I'd stop supporting them. Party play in this game is highly unintuitive compared to others like Warframe. Punishing me more than I already am (no loot bonuses solo) for not having friends or being part of a guild would bother me.

Cros wants to say it's selfish of us to not want this. I say it's selfish to want to implement content that would be exclusionary to solo players. There's nothing stopping party players from joining people right now. The same can't be said for solo players who want to participate in whatever would be group activities.

i knew what he meant and that was very close to "you are selfish if you dont multiplayer only content even if you only play solo"

he might have meant something different and what i stated could have been missunderstood (since english is my 3rd language and it might not be hist 1st language either)

*edit

and i agreee with you,that i find his way of thinking in this case selfish

my rant was a bit long in those psosts,but all i basicly meant was

-i wont support multiplayer only content
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-other players might think the same way and would stop to support as well

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Pizzarugi wrote:

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ciel289 wrote:

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Crosaith wrote:

Adding some optional multiplayer content that's designed around team play would be cool. It can have some unique co-op-focused items as rewards.

no idea why ppl keep bringing thatidea up...
poe is not the type of game for "raidbosses" etc

multiplayer already has enough advantages (ofc it has a drawback too like more skill effects on the screen)

any kind of multiplayer only content (with the exception of pvp where no items drop) would make me stop supporting ggg and i´m pretty sure there are other players out there that think the same way about this

I'd stop supporting them. Party play in this game is highly unintuitive compared to others like Warframe. Punishing me more than I already am (no loot bonuses solo) for not having friends or being part of a guild would bother me.

Cros wants to say it's selfish of us to not want this. I say it's selfish to want to implement content that would be exclusionary to solo players. There's nothing stopping party players from joining people right now. The same can't be said for solo players who want to participate in whatever would be group activities.

I'll say it again. That kind of mentality is selfish and childish.

These things go both ways. Your player group wants single-player-focused content. Another player group wants multiplayer-focused content. Why should GGG only cater to your player group? Do you seriously believe that isn't selfish?

Punishing you? That's just silly. Why are you so focused on what other players get? You'll never play with them. Seriously... that ain't it. That kind of logic is a slippery slope. Next thing you know... people will want chase items banned because the majority of players will never have access to them.

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Crosaith wrote:

I'll say it again. That kind of mentality is selfish and childish.

These things go both ways. Your player group wants single-player-focused content. Another player group wants multiplayer-focused content. Why should GGG only cater to your player group? Do you seriously believe that isn't selfish?

Punishing you? That's just silly. Why are you so focused on what other players get? You'll never play with them. Seriously... that ain't it. That kind of logic is a slippery slope. Next thing you know... people will want chase items banned because the majority of players will never have access to them.

so you fail to see a very important point

i and as far as i understood him pizzarugi as well dont want any kind of content that excludes players

the current content can be played by both solo and multiplayer

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you want content only for multiplayer

you are the selfish one and not me

on top of this

the content you want would me balance changes or it could be played by solo players (there would be no reason to exclude solo players than)
such a balance change is extremly likely to affect soloplay as well and very likely in a negative way

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Crosaith wrote:

I'll say it again. That kind of mentality is selfish and childish.

These things go both ways. Your player group wants single-player-focused content. Another player group wants multiplayer-focused content. Why should GGG only cater to your player group? Do you seriously believe that isn't selfish?

Punishing you? That's just silly. Why are you so focused on what other players get? You'll never play with them. Seriously... that ain't it. That kind of logic is a slippery slope. Next thing you know... people will want chase items banned because the majority of players will never have access to them.

What you want is selfish and childish.

You can literally party up in the game, right now, any time you feel like it.

Solo players? If you have content that requires parties, they don't have that same freedom. Parts of the game is now being gated away from them.

So yes, what you suggest is actually selfish and childish. The only way party play would be acceptable in this game is if they're "for fun" activities like minigames or PvP that doesn't offer any reward or loot.

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ciel289 wrote:

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Crosaith wrote:

I'll say it again. That kind of mentality is selfish and childish.

These things go both ways. Your player group wants single-player-focused content. Another player group wants multiplayer-focused content. Why should GGG only cater to your player group? Do you seriously believe that isn't selfish?

Punishing you? That's just silly. Why are you so focused on what other players get? You'll never play with them. Seriously... that ain't it. That kind of logic is a slippery slope. Next thing you know... people will want chase items banned because the majority of players will never have access to them.

so you fail to see a very important point

i and as far as i understood him pizzarugi as well dont want any kind of content that excludes players

the current content can be played by both solo and multiplayer

but
you want content only for multiplayer

you are the selfish one and not me

on top of this

the content you want would me balance changes or it could be played by solo players (there would be no reason to exclude solo players than)
such a balance change is extremly likely to affect soloplay as well and very likely in a negative way

Sigh... consider this as a reply to both of you since you guys are pretty much repeating the same thing.

You guys are not excluded from doing multiplayer content; you are choosing not to. There's plenty of players that only want to play multiplayer. Let's be real... some people find the single-player grind mind-numbing. Why shouldn't there be some multiplayer content designed for them? Does what they want matter less than what you want?

Also... there's plenty of content in this game already that's pretty much gated away from a good amount of players. *cough* maps & crafting *cough*

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Crosaith wrote:

Also... there's plenty of content in this game already that's pretty much gated away from a good amount of players. *cough* maps & crafting *cough*

Are you sure you aren't a troll?

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Crosaith wrote:

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ciel289 wrote:

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Crosaith wrote:

I'll say it again. That kind of mentality is selfish and childish.

These things go both ways. Your player group wants single-player-focused content. Another player group wants multiplayer-focused content. Why should GGG only cater to your player group? Do you seriously believe that isn't selfish?

Punishing you? That's just silly. Why are you so focused on what other players get? You'll never play with them. Seriously... that ain't it. That kind of logic is a slippery slope. Next thing you know... people will want chase items banned because the majority of players will never have access to them.

so you fail to see a very important point

i and as far as i understood him pizzarugi as well dont want any kind of content that excludes players

the current content can be played by both solo and multiplayer

but
you want content only for multiplayer

you are the selfish one and not me

on top of this

the content you want would me balance changes or it could be played by solo players (there would be no reason to exclude solo players than)
such a balance change is extremly likely to affect soloplay as well and very likely in a negative way

Sigh... consider this as a reply to both of you since you guys are pretty much repeating the same thing.

You guys are not excluded from doing multiplayer content; you are choosing not to. There's plenty of players that only want to play multiplayer. Let's be real... some people find the single-player grind mind-numbing. Why shouldn't there be some multiplayer content designed for them? Does what they want matter less than what you want?

Also... there's plenty of content in this game already that's pretty much gated away from a good amount of players. *cough* maps & crafting *cough*

again ...
a solo player would have to change his favorite way to play just for your multiplayer only content

this means if the player doesnt wanna change his playstyle he is excluded from said content

someone who wants to play multiplayer can do it in poes current form without any restrictions

atm all content is playable in multi and solo play
there are already more than enough benefits for multiplayer and its getting buffed by the link skills
the aura/changes changes hit BOTH multi and solo players

you are selfish and childish by wanting content exclusively for your favorite playstyle

or worse

you are a troll since you keep refusing to understand basic facts

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ciel289 wrote:

again ...
a solo player would have to change his favorite way to play just for your multiplayer only content

this means if the player doesnt wanna change his playstyle he is excluded from said content

someone who wants to play multiplayer can do it in poes current form without any restrictions

atm all content is playable in multi and solo play
there are already more than enough benefits for multiplayer and its getting buffed by the link skills
the aura/changes changes hit BOTH multi and solo players

you are selfish and childish by wanting content exclusively for your favorite playstyle

or worse

you are a troll since you keep refusing to understand basic facts

Sigh... playing this rubber and glue parrot shit with you is tiring.

Bottom line. This game requires an online connection and multiplayer could use a lot of improvement. Being able to do something and being able to do something well are very different things.

Not much more to say. You clearly only value single-player content. I value both. This is going nowhere, so I'ma head out.

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Crosaith wrote:

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ciel289 wrote:

again ...
a solo player would have to change his favorite way to play just for your multiplayer only content

this means if the player doesnt wanna change his playstyle he is excluded from said content

someone who wants to play multiplayer can do it in poes current form without any restrictions

atm all content is playable in multi and solo play
there are already more than enough benefits for multiplayer and its getting buffed by the link skills
the aura/changes changes hit BOTH multi and solo players

you are selfish and childish by wanting content exclusively for your favorite playstyle

or worse

you are a troll since you keep refusing to understand basic facts

Sigh... playing this rubber and glue parrot shit with you is tiring.

Bottom line. This game requires an online connection and multiplayer could use a lot of improvement. Being able to do something and being able to do something well are very different things.

Not much more to say. You clearly only value single-player content. I value both. This is going nowhere, so I'ma head out.

this is a lie

you want to sacrafice soloplayers for the sake of multiplayer only conetent
there is no reason to restrict content to either of these groups

there are no tanks or healers in poe,every charr has the option to do everything of this for themself
so there is no reason to lock content from soloplayers,but you still wanna exlude soloplayers

btw you arent asking for soloplayer only content in exchange for multiplayer only content

your only reason for wanting multiplayer only content is because you want to exclude soloplayers
this isnt an argument,its beeing selfish

on the other hand

allow all players regardless off beeing solo or multiplayer to do all content is logical and benifits all players,because noone is restricted