Mirror of Kalandra must add split tag to item. Fix it.

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in_hop_in wrote:

Standard life matter

Not everyone enjoy being a beta tester.

Yeah, but this entire thread is you complaining about the problem challenge leagues were specifically created to fix so you apparently don't enjoy playing in Standard either?

Noone mirroring items at league? Good news everyone.

I just operate with the theses of the developers and continue their logical chain.

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ARealLifeCaribbeanPirate wrote:

Imagine unironically thinking standard league was any kind of barometer for game balance, lmao...

You know that standard league is the core game right?

I feel like you are making fallacious argument saying that it's ironic to think standard gameplay should be balanced.

If it's broken in standard it's gonna be broken in league since leagues are addons to standard.

As I see it adding the SPLIT tag to a mirrored item will be in-line with GGG current practices, and simply saying that something is expensive or rare is no excuse for double standards. Add a KALANDRAED tag to original item, and MIRRORED to 2nd, or remove SPLIT from bestiary.

Why would my preferred method of obtaining an item be considered broken, but someone else's not? For all intents and purposes using a mirror is a deterministic craft and it is far more powerful that any other craft in the game.

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drklrd wrote:

You know that standard league is the core game right?

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No, I guess I don't know that because it's absolutely wrong.

Also, we're talking about balancing the itemization of a game mode which exists solely NOT to be balanced. There's a reason legacy gear is allowed to just exist in standard, instead of being deleted from the game entirely: the version of the game which is intended for most players to engage with is softcore trade challenge league. According to, you know, the game itself.

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ARealLifeCaribbeanPirate wrote:

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drklrd wrote:

You know that standard league is the core game right?

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No, I guess I don't know that because it's absolutely wrong.

Also, we're talking about balancing the itemization of a game mode which exists solely NOT to be balanced. There's a reason legacy gear is allowed to just exist in standard, instead of being deleted from the game entirely: the version of the game which is intended for most players to engage with is softcore trade challenge league. According to, you know, the game itself.

game mode =/= league.

Default League as opposed to Private Leagues
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2245572/page/1#p15924315

or Void leagues, or EVENT league, or flashbacks.


You are talking about balance

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the version of the game which is intended for most players to engage with is softcore trade challenge league

https://youtu.be/tmuy9fyNUjY?t=875

"the idea is we put some cool game modes on there, it doesn't take alot of game development time and we see what happens" "this was a failed experiment as far as we were concerned"

https://youtu.be/tmuy9fyNUjY?t=1212

"The key is to give them the opportunity to re-engage." "We wanna make sure that players quit with a plan to come back"

It was always a hook to bring people back, and make them try the game, but STANDARD is what keeps players.

Leauges are just that, new game modes added on top of the default game mode. Expedition drops, or HH gambles would be nothing without what the CORE GAME MODE that Standard is.

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Also, we're talking about balancing the itemization of a game mode which exists solely NOT to be balanced.

Where's my ELder Ring then? Where's my tripple fire res belt then? Where's my old gems pre-3.15 then? Where's my 3.13 Harvest? Where's my 3.1 Atlas?

I utterly amazed. I truly am. I've been looking over the forums over the past two months and there are a great deal of constant forum posters in this section that simply ignore what the game is.

Leagues were never standalone. They don't exist in a void.

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drklrd wrote:

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It really seems like you're projecting your own unsubstantiated emotions and opinions onto the community at large, here.

When you make a new character, the default mode is softcore trade challenge league. ANYTHING ELSE is something you have to opt into.

Kinda sounds like the "normal" game mode to me?

Due to many reworks, and rebalances since 3.13, there is a question: "Why do we need a mirror?". Because many ways to craft IMBALANCED items was abolished (harvest, t4 aisling, beasts, fossils, all dupe, etc). So that if chris cut a lot of profitable content for a small amount of people (delve, 5 orb, regular juiced maps), so that mirror rebalance should follow the "ethical" line. Chris said, that harvest should be nerfed because people leave the game, because the acquire BiS items so early, so that why mirrors should exist in current state?

P.S.
Mai cedere's shop 've made 100 mirror services last month which is 100*500ex avg fee would be=50.000 ex/800= 62.5 mirrors by the course of std server.

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sematheslayer wrote:

Due to many reworks, and rebalances since 3.13, there is a question: "Why do we need a mirror?". Because many ways to craft IMBALANCED items was abolished (harvest, t4 aisling, beasts, fossils, all dupe, etc). So that if chris cut a lot of profitable content for a small amount of people (delve, 5 orb, regular juiced maps), so that mirror rebalance should follow the "ethical" line. Chris said, that harvest should be nerfed because people leave the game, because the acquire BiS items so early, so that why mirrors should exist in current state?

P.S.
Mai cedere's shop 've made 100 mirror services last month which is 100*500ex avg fee would be=50.000 ex/800= 62.5 mirrors by the course of std server.

that moment you realize some insane items were crafted WITHOUT harvest, these were all being used well before harvest became a thing as well.

also you could make 3-5 BIS items(or more) with harvest for under the cost of a mirror.

also how many of those mirror services were done by the same person? I know at least 10% of all the mirror services Mai has done were done by 24 people.

the game isn't balanced around what happens in standard, especially around those with godly items. It is balanced around what happens in leagues.

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ARealLifeCaribbeanPirate wrote:

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drklrd wrote:

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It really seems like you're projecting your own unsubstantiated emotions and opinions onto the community at large, here.

When you make a new character, the default mode is softcore trade challenge league. ANYTHING ELSE is something you have to opt into.

Kinda sounds like the "normal" game mode to me?

Don't strawman me, it doesn't work

I said the Default game mode is standard, the Default league is whatever SC temp league there might be at the time. League is not a game mode, if it was, you wouldn't put it in quotation marks.

Can I play my ritual league character in Expedition league? No. Everything goes to standard. HC temp league does not go to SC temp league, it goes to standard.

Standard is the core game. Standard is Default game mode. Default means that in the absence of y something you get x. x will always be there, that's why x in this case is STANDARD not a TEMPORARY league. It says so in the very picture that you linked, just go over it again.

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drklrd wrote:

Don't strawman me, it doesn't work

I said the Default game mode is standard, the Default league is whatever SC temp league there might be at the time. League is not a game mode, if it was, you wouldn't put it in quotation marks.

Can I play my ritual league character in Expedition league? No. Everything goes to standard. HC temp league does not go to SC temp league, it goes to standard.

Standard is the core game. Standard is Default game mode. Default means that in the absence of y something you get x. x will always be there, that's why x in this case is STANDARD not a TEMPORARY league. It says so in the very picture that you linked, just go over it again.

I'm not using a straw man, I'm talking about the actual topic of the thread which you seem determined to keep getting away from.

OP's contention that mirrors are a problem because someone in standard can make tens of thousands of exalts copying the same exact item an infinite number of times is not a balance issue in the primary way in which GGG intends players to engage with their game. Standard is an opt-in for players who want to finish a build or item they couldn't get around to within a 3 month league, but it is not the mode around which the itemization of PoE is balanced, and as such has no place in a discussion on game balance.

You can't have balanced itemization in Standard league, because the very nature of standard league runs counter to the entire concept of item balance. If people want to play in that mode, more power to them? I'm not here to yuck anyone's yum. But complaining about an issue temp leagues specifically exist to solve while refusing to play in a temp league makes absolutely no sense.