FilterBlade: why is Alteration the same tier as Fusing or Vaal?

With my unchanged FilterBlade loot filter, the Orb of Alteration has the same colour and sound as Fusing, Vaal, Alchemy etc.

Shouldn't it be rather the same tier as Jeweler's or Chromatic Orb?

Why is that so? What am I missing?

Try

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-forum/gameplay-discussion


edit: the thread is ninja moved by GGG support

alts ~300:1 ex
chrom ~350:1 ex
vaa 200:1 ex

jeweller 800:1 ex
fuse 400:1 ex

alch 800:1 ex


i would group it according to the ratios, you can freely choose where you wanna put your currenty togehter


neversink just does it for general usages, which is not 100% optimal for everyone, but comes darn close to it


high tier = show / sound
ex
divine
etc

mid tier = show / no sound
alts ~300:1 ex
chrom ~350:1 ex
fuse 400:1 ex
vaal 200:1 ex

low tier = hide
jeweller 800:1 ex
alch 800:1 ex

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SamHotte wrote:

With my unchanged FilterBlade loot filter, the Orb of Alteration has the same colour and sound as Fusing, Vaal, Alchemy etc.

Shouldn't it be rather the same tier as Jeweler's or Chromatic Orb?

Why is that so? What am I missing?

Most of us here don't have psychic powers and can't read your mind. Remember - what is obvious to you may be baffling to others.

That said - Why wouldn't that be so? What would make you think Orb of Alteration should be the same tier as Jeweller's or Chromatic Orb?

Cos thats the tier it belongs to based on usfulness and market price.

Yeah...every league I put off modifying my FilterBlade, as every time I don't I wish I had done it earlier. Unmodified FilterBlade s nothing more than a starting point for me.

Thanks for your answers, they explained my misconception - since I'm mostly just playing and not caring about "market prices", for me the Alteration Orb is much less useful than Alchemy, Chaos, Fusing, Chromatic, or Vaal. Those I need all the time.

Therefore I would put it in a lower tier - perhaps I shoud individualize the filter in that way.

[edit] typo

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SamHotte wrote:

for me the Alteration Orb is much less useful than Alchemy, Chaos, Fusing, Chromatic, or Vaal.

Alts are far more plentiful than Chaos. An individual Alt is not as valuable as a Chaos, but I use a lot more of them. I tend to spam the heck out of Alts. An Alc might be more valuable than an Alt, but I will only use one Alc on an item, then vendor it if I don't like the results. So most of the time the value of an Alc becomes a few Alteration shards. The value of a bunch of Alts becomes a usable item.

In SSF, the rarity of Chaos devalues Alcs. Chaos are either for buying something, or min-maxing gear. They are too rare to use to get "decent" usable gear.

You can spam Alcs, but you need a white for each spam. With Alts, you need one white, then spam the heck out of it with alts.

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harddaysnight wrote:

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SamHotte wrote:

for me the Alteration Orb is much less useful than Alchemy, Chaos, Fusing, Chromatic, or Vaal.

Alts are far more plentiful than Chaos. An individual Alt is not as valuable as a Chaos, but I use a lot more of them. I tend to spam the heck out of Alts. An Alc might be more valuable than an Alt, but I will only use one Alc on an item, then vendor it if I don't like the results. So most of the time the value of an Alc becomes a few Alteration shards. The value of a bunch of Alts becomes a usable item.

In SSF, the rarity of Chaos devalues Alcs. Chaos are either for buying something, or min-maxing gear. They are too rare to use to get "decent" usable gear.

You can spam Alcs, but you need a white for each spam. With Alts, you need one white, then spam the heck out of it with alts.

What do you mean by "spam the heck out of Alts"? Sorry, but english is not my mothertongue, I really don't understand it.

I use Alchemy, Chaos and Vaal Orbs for maps >= Tier 6, Alts only for Flasks or white maps.

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SamHotte wrote:

What do you mean by "spam the heck out of Alts"? Sorry, but english is not my mothertongue, I really don't understand it.

Spam = do the same thing a lot of times.

The usefulness of Alterations is that you can try to target a specific modifier. Suppose you want 170-179% increased physical damage on a weapon. One Alteration won't help you get it... but if you use 6,000 alterations* you will have a pretty decent shot at getting 170-179% increased physical damage (or something comparably rare and valuable) at least once.

*craftofexile.com shows average 2,886 Alteration + Augmentation to get 170-179% phys at least once, but it is still a matter of luck and some people can get unlucky.

EDIT: For SSF, I probably would not use Alterations unless you are doing Flasks for movement speed (anti-bleeding, anti-freeze, anti-curse, anti-burning, anti-poison can all be beastcrafted in the Menagerie using Bestiary captured beasts), or rolling Watchstones:



Using Alterations for use-cases like mentioned above (170-179% phys) in SSF would probably only be for someone who plays A LOT and very efficiently in SSF.