Pet peeve of mine: "Ultimatum is just Ritual 2.0"

The meme comparing Ultimatum to Ritual, saying it's the same league with a fresh coat of paint, makes absolutely no sense to me. As far as Path of Exile goes, they're completely different leagues. If you're going to try and say Ultimatum is just a reworked previous league - call it Breach 6.0. Other than proximity in time, the comparison to Ritual feels completely arbitrary.

DIFFERENCES
1. Ritual - you earn points to select loot. Ultimatum - you have no choice in what loot you get.
1b. Ritual - points carry across 4 different encounters in the Map which you can leave at any time. Ultimatum - one encounter only.
2. 50% of the time, Ultimatum requires you to do things other than kill monsters (Survive, Stone Circles) to pass the stage. 100% of the time, Ritual has you kill monsters to pass the stage.
3. Ritual - you resurrect slain monsters, and previous monsters reappear. Ultimatum - no relation to slain monsters.
4. Ultimatum - has "minigames" of avoiding the Ruin stacks, doing Stone Circles, etc. Ritual - no minigames.
5. Ritual - has splinters to collect from Rituals allow you to juice up meta-Rituals. Ultimatum - Inscribed Ultimatums are random world drops completely unrelated to Ultimatums.

SIMILARITIES
1.
Ritual - kill monsters in circle to get loot
Ultimatum - kill monsters in circle to get loot
Breach - kill monsters in circle to get loot
Essence - kill monsters in circle to get loot
Ambush - kill monsters in circle to get loot
Perandus - kill monsters in circle to get loot
Harbinger - kill monsters in circle to get loot
Domination - kill monsters in circle to get loot
Metamorph - spawn a monster that lets you kill monsters in a circle to get loot
Legion - kill monsters in square to get loot
Incursion - kill monsters in an obstacle-filled square to get loot
Blight - kill monsters in circles and lines to get loot
Delve - kill monsters in lines and circles to get loot
Abyss - kill monsters in lines and circles to get loot
Bestiary - kill monsters in the area to get crafts
Delirium - kill monsters in the entire area to get loot
Harvest - kill monsters in square to get crafts

Ultimatum is not Ritual 2.0 any more than Legion, Abyss, Breach, Incursion, Blight, are all Ritual 0.5. Which is a stupid thing to say.

Ultimatum is Breach 6.0.

Really have to quit worrying about what other people are saying on the internet.

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Shagsbeard wrote:

Really have to quit worrying about what other people are saying on the internet.

I can't help who I am, Shags! I Yam what I Yam!

Synthesis - OwO

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adghar wrote:

SIMILARITIES
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Ritual - kill monsters in circle to get loot
Ultimatum - kill monsters in circle to get loot

Soooooo.... It's the same. Ultimatum is Ritual just with different way of getting reward.

Okay.

it is ritual 2.0 OP the ritual modifiers were changed to ultimatum modifiers and choose your reward was changed to here take these binding orbs, the rest is functionally the same.

I suspect this was deliberate, as its cheap and easy to develop such a league with most of the assets already in place.

All mechanics come down to kill monsters get loot that is the soul of an ARPG I don't really get why this bugs you, its a perfectly acceptable definition :p

Y'all are gonna drive me off the deep end!

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Draegnarrr wrote:

it is ritual 2.0 OP the ritual modifiers were changed to ultimatum modifiers and choose your reward was changed to here take these binding orbs, the rest is functionally the same.

"ritual is harbinger 2.0"

it is harbinger 2.0 OP the harbinger modifiers were changed to ritual modifiers and here take these trans shards was changed to choose your reward, the rest is functionally the same.

harbinger doesn't work, I don't activate a pylon then fight monsters in a circle with a challenge active.

I don't even think of it as ritual 2.0 anyway its ritual 0.5, Ultimatum is a regressed version of Ritual lol

Edit: Also out of your list I think its fine to say breach, legion, perandus, ultimatum, ritual, abyss have a great deal of commonality we just don't keep moving the term because only the most popular is used. All those leagues were breach league X once breach league happened.

However ritual and ultimatum are closer together than any of those in design terms and we just had ritual league so it got slapped with that moniker.

Activating a pylon? Sounds suspiciously like... Legion

it is legion 2.0 OP the legion modifiers were changed to ritual modifiers and here take these 1/500 splinters was changed to choose your reward, the rest is functionally the same.