[burnout] just a little rant about how the game (d)evolved for me

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Mortyx wrote:

I will first try to explain what i consider the nature of online ARPGs: For me online Arpgs are a middle term between roguelikes and mmos. In the left we have roguelikes where the journey is the most important part and in the right we have mmos where the destination is the most important part.

Back in the beta, the game was pretty much all about the journey(specially if you played hardcore and the race events), the destination was cool, but the journey was where the true fun was.

Fast forward to today, and it's easy to see that GGG added a thousand and one "work systems" (really popular in MMOs), and the game kinda went too hard to the mmo side. At the same time they also added a bunch of "bad mechanics" for hardcore while also somehow worsening the performance of the game after each expansion, thus killing their "hardcore" population. And i am not going to talk about the removal of the racing seasons.

Right now the journey is getting less and less fun as more system are being added into the game due to the combat balance which is completely wacky (be immune to everything, recover your entire life each second, explode(in most cases literally) the entire screen each second) combined with too many work to do (unveil,level heist,delve, map bonus, maven bonus, etc).

So old players that liked poe for the journey will feel the game is getting worse and worse from what it was while players that either enjoy stockmarket or the destination will like more and more the mmo poe.

+1 Exactly

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Andrius319 wrote:

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AkuTenshiiZero wrote:

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Shagsbeard wrote:

Most stuff gets its day in the sun.

We're gonna need some industrial digging equipment if we're ever gonna get Spectral Shield Throw to see sunlight.

or spectral throw.

Actually, I remember waaaaaaaaay back when Spectral Throw was the meta, but I'm pretty sure that was also when Dominus was the final boss.

PoE trivia - Spec throw was first build to beat Uber Atziri and how Mathil got famous. Called Elemental Buzzsaw.

I loved the mechaics of that. Things is today you just can't stand still that long waiting for blades to return. Move in Circles meta not condusive to spec throw. See Mortyx post.

@OP: I also felt the game went into a direction I disliked starting with 3.10.

I quit playing 1 week into the current league. For me the scale tips down towards perceiving the game to be more of a chore than fun, so I'll put it aside for a while.

Games good but they need to find a way to condense the game and league mechanics down because it slows everything down in a bad way.

The problem is there is too much to do, because the things you do consistently detract from the main goals which would be the Atlas.

The Atlas progression is soo important as well but that as well is bogged down by farming for maps, spawning conquerors, doing maven progression, etc.

The biggest issue i have with the Atlas is how stupid the progression system actually is within it. Its extremely convoluted and overly complex for no other reason than to be convoluted and complex.

They could have easily just made a giant map, T1-T16 with zones and everything similar for unlocking conquerors and maven progression, but instead they went with some overly complex system where it is literally farming maps, for more maps, to do maps, for other maps, to do conquerors, for watch stones, to do more maps, while also progressing maven.

They need to scrub that [Removed by Support] and start over with a better Atlas system because i honestly cant see myself doing it over and over and over again. And you literally cant skip it because you HAVE to have Atlas completion or else youre literally missing out on an exponential amount of loot and progression within the atlas itself and other side content, like Heist, Delve, etc. Its all interconnected.

My only other issue is how theyve completely ruined gearing. Uniques are 99.9% [Removed by Support] because you can make rare items that are way too go and completely take a dump on unique items without and actual investment because crafting has become way too easy. And they literally cant make more uniques because the power level on those uniques would HAVE to be better than what you can easily craft otherwise theres no point and theyre just vendor trash like most other uniques.

So in my opinion, the two biggest things they need to work on are those two things. I came back after 4 years and those are problem two of the bigger issues on my radar.

Im not sure who thought harvest was a good idea, or these influenced items, but they clearly are the straw that broke the camels back on power creep.

Like oh, +1 Curse Chest with +2% crit after getting the maven enhance. Why would you literally ever use anything else ? 2% base crit is fucking colossal and +1 Curse is a massive multiplier as well.



Currently what im using while i craft another to try and hit better mods. Found out some other neat crafting things that make it 100% easier to hit the modifiers i want so im going to do that while i use this.

Same can be said for a lot of other items however. Chest piece is certainly a big one but gloves are probably the second biggest for a lot of other builds, just not for mine personally. Helmet is pretty huge too when it comes to double influence you can pretty much get a 6L+ helmet if you roll it correctly. Ive been selling a lot of the level 20 gem +3% crit helms.

Another example of broken itemization is the +gem [Removed by Support]. Pretty much all spell builds will benefit from +gems but its harder to get that in comparison to a +3 bow. I made a few just for fun, ideally id do it on a thicket but i had a neat synth base i wanted to throw +3 on



but +gems for spells is incredibly gated by the weight of RNG on how rare + level to all spell gems is. Even + to x type of spell gems is pretty rare itself. For me, ideally, id get a +5 spell staff with crit because each gem level is a massive more multiplier. This is also why dual CPD for the +3 to physical spells is soo strong. Sure you could use void batteries, but it isnt as good as what you could get from just the two +3 daggers by getting a +6 on your physical spell and then also empowering said physical spell and then getting more +levels like on an amulet and chest LOL. Dont forget corrupting your gems.

I feel like im ranting though but itemization is seriously [Removed by Support] boring as hell right now.

As someone who currently uses 5 uniques (50% of all gear) I feel they are really not as bad as some people say

They need to get out more...Some builds use 100% uniques or near so.
Here is one off top of my head
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3019705/page/1

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Aim_Deep wrote:

Things is today you just can't stand still that long waiting for blades to return. Move in Circles meta not condusive to spec throw. See Mortyx post.

This is honestly something that kills a lot builds. Channeling skills are weird to use when you need to constantly move, Meele skills usually get you killed unless you one-shot the boss, because boss damage is sometimes just 1-hitting you any time you stand stil for more than 1 second + lot of bosses spawn s**t under them, then start using ranged attack so they never move, and you can just stare at them as meele...

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Shagsbeard wrote:

You're an exploiter... and there's nothing wrong with that. You seem to enjoy finding ways to "beat" the game. This patch was a smack-down on that style of play. They focused on closing down some of the more popular exploits.

Don't worry... they'll be back. The game goes in cycles.

Lol PoE isn't going in a cycle. It's going in a downward curve..

Enjoyment of Leagues:

Ritual > Metamorph > Harvest > Legion > Delirium > Heist > Blight > Synthesis > Betrayal (My first league) >..................... > Ultimatum