Chainbreaker Rage Is Now a Mana Pool That Runs Out SUPER Fast - 0.7 attacks/s @ 110% inc mana regen

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Baharoth15 wrote:
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relithh wrote:


I mean, i could easily put a build together that casts or attacks every few seconds to utilize it, but it just does not make sense to me to do so.



Attacking once every few seconds with high damage is actually way better then having to continuesly attack. Why to you think archmage casters and slam builds are so popular? Because they don't have to stand still all the time to do damage.

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If we took a vote from everyone not using DoT CB builds, do you think most of them would agree with the changes?


Probably not, but what's the relevance of such a vote from a community full of plebs that literally can't think past their one pet build when it comes to judging balance changes?


That is subjective, also it requires absurdly low APS in order to achieve that. My point is that the changes are to curb with dot builds etc as mentioned in the manifesto, so why should it affect people that are playing actual builds with it ?
IGN : Relithh , Stronkberry
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relithh wrote:
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Baharoth15 wrote:
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relithh wrote:


I mean, i could easily put a build together that casts or attacks every few seconds to utilize it, but it just does not make sense to me to do so.



Attacking once every few seconds with high damage is actually way better then having to continuesly attack. Why to you think archmage casters and slam builds are so popular? Because they don't have to stand still all the time to do damage.



Popularity does not mean its better, besides people with high aps would definitely argue otherwise.
IGN : Relithh , Stronkberry
Last edited by relithh#7305 on Apr 21, 2021, 5:15:02 AM
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Baharoth15 wrote:

Probably not, but what's the relevance of such a vote from a community full of plebs that literally can't think past their one pet build when it comes to judging balance changes?
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Yup, I knew you'd say as much. Protesting things like Harvest and other global nerfs, and this are NOT THE SAME.
This nerf was aimed at DoT builds, while those other changes were aimed at everyone.

I think I've gotten a pretty good sense of all your points here, unless you have any more to share?

What is the value of my own life when it is taken from others so easily?
Most of the time like close to 100% disagree with Baharoth but this time i agree.

Berserker buff 20% MORE DAMAGE, 20% LESS DAMAGE TAKEN, 20% MOVEMENT SPEED.

Lets not act that this is not the best buff in the game. Either commit to a slow build that can utilize Chainbreaker and the benefits of Rage/Berserk (example: Slams) or adapt and live with it.

No more free Berserk for high APS builds. Thats part of the intention of GGG. And they did well becuse Chainbreaker undermined the identity of Berserker.

If you guys like to play with Berserk buff i can recommend to play a Berserker ans spec into Warbringer and invest a medium cluster jewel with Cry Wolf.
These are some serious commitments (Special Ascendancy + Cluster jewels)
Yet you guys asking for free Berserk on any build - comon.
Last edited by zzang#1847 on Apr 21, 2021, 5:35:05 AM
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zzang wrote:
Most of the time like close to 100% disagree with Baharoth but this time i agree.

Berserker buff 20% MORE DAMAGE, 20% LESS DAMAGE TAKEN, 20% MOVEMENT SPEED.

Lets not act that this is not the best buff in the game. Either commit to a slow build that can utilize Chainbreaker and the benefits of Rage/Berserk (example: Slams) or adapt and live with it.

No more free Berserk for high APS builds. Thats part of the intention of GGF. And they did well becuzse Chainbreaker undermined the ide tity of Berserker.

If you guys like to play with Berserk buff i can recommend to play a Berserker ans spec into Warbringer and invest a medium cluster jewel with Cry Wolf.
Thise are some serious commitments (Special Ascendancy + Cluster jewels)
Yet you guys asking for free Berserk on any build - comon.


https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3088787
What is the value of my own life when it is taken from others so easily?
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zzang wrote:
Most of the time like close to 100% disagree with Baharoth but this time i agree.

Berserker buff 20% MORE DAMAGE, 20% LESS DAMAGE TAKEN, 20% MOVEMENT SPEED.

Lets not act that this is not the best buff in the game. Either commit to a slow build that can utilize Chainbreaker and the benefits of Rage/Berserk (example: Slams) or adapt and live with it.

No more free Berserk for high APS builds. Thats part of the intention of GGG. And they did well becuse Chainbreaker undermined the identity of Berserker.

If you guys like to play with Berserk buff i can recommend to play a Berserker ans spec into Warbringer and invest a medium cluster jewel with Cry Wolf.
These are some serious commitments (Special Ascendancy + Cluster jewels)
Yet you guys asking for free Berserk on any build - comon.


Nobody deserves to have their build unplayably BRICKED as long as it doesn't depend on gimmicky Unique interactions.

There is a solution out there that makes everyone happy.
What is the value of my own life when it is taken from others so easily?
dude some builds are gonna get bricked. i dunno how long u been around here but people whove been here for a while should know by now that sometimes u get buffed, sometimes u get nerfed, and sometimes ur thrown out the window entirely.

entire mechanics which certain builds relied on 100% to survive even moderate threats like instant leech were torn out of the game entirely. there was a time when some of the most powerful killers in the game were ci dagger attackers who ran bloodrage, for free because it was a chaos degen, while having instant leech via vaal pact, for free because they had no life regen, and were able to do some of the highest damage on offer.

almost everything about those characters was nerfed or essentially deleted from the game over the following year. even if you have legacy acuity now it wont work with energy shield, that entire thing is dead. and thats fine because you can do other things, but you have to do those other things, theres no going back to bloodrage + vp = immortal and go ci so theyre both free.



i couldnt even begin to list the mechanics and items i have used over the years that were murdered on a given patch day. theres always another build that will work with the items you own and you go do that build or you make some trades and do this other thing, life goes on welcome to the meta shift.
I love all you people on the forums, we can disagree but still be friends and respect each other :)
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Snorkle_uk wrote:
dude some builds are gonna get bricked. i dunno how long u been around here but people whove been here for a while should know by now that sometimes u get buffed, sometimes u get nerfed, and sometimes ur thrown out the window entirely.

entire mechanics which certain builds relied on 100% to survive even moderate threats like instant leech were torn out of the game entirely. there was a time when some of the most powerful killers in the game were ci dagger attackers who ran bloodrage, for free because it was a chaos degen, while having instant leech via vaal pact, for free because they had no life regen, and were able to do some of the highest damage on offer.

almost everything about those characters was nerfed or essentially deleted from the game over the following year. even if you have legacy acuity now it wont work with energy shield, that entire thing is dead. and thats fine because you can do other things, but you have to do those other things, theres no going back to bloodrage + vp = immortal and go ci so theyre both free.



i couldnt even begin to list the mechanics and items i have used over the years that were murdered on a given patch day. theres always another build that will work with the items you own and you go do that build or you make some trades and do this other thing, life goes on welcome to the meta shift.


That sounds super broken and requires a lot of interactions while the thing being fixed here isn't even close to immortality and is just one keystone.
There is a solution out there that makes everyone happy.
What is the value of my own life when it is taken from others so easily?
Last edited by Noble_Seiken#0706 on Apr 21, 2021, 6:22:38 AM
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Snorkle_uk wrote:
dude some builds are gonna get bricked. i dunno how long u been around here but people whove been here for a while should know by now that sometimes u get buffed, sometimes u get nerfed, and sometimes ur thrown out the window entirely.

entire mechanics which certain builds relied on 100% to survive even moderate threats like instant leech were torn out of the game entirely. there was a time when some of the most powerful killers in the game were ci dagger attackers who ran bloodrage, for free because it was a chaos degen, while having instant leech via vaal pact, for free because they had no life regen, and were able to do some of the highest damage on offer.

almost everything about those characters was nerfed or essentially deleted from the game over the following year. even if you have legacy acuity now it wont work with energy shield, that entire thing is dead. and thats fine because you can do other things, but you have to do those other things, theres no going back to bloodrage + vp = immortal and go ci so theyre both free.



i couldnt even begin to list the mechanics and items i have used over the years that were murdered on a given patch day. theres always another build that will work with the items you own and you go do that build or you make some trades and do this other thing, life goes on welcome to the meta shift.


^^
Life is not fair lol.

But yes I think GGG is okay with this direction. I am not saying I like it (I don't) but they always try to align the build hype to the current league.

I prefer a soft/hard cap approach and a rebalance that won't make a build completely unplayable. They really like to complicate things but well stuff like that can be both good and bad.
Last edited by bloodiewarrior#2032 on Apr 21, 2021, 6:44:44 AM
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Noble_Seiken wrote:

There is a solution out there that makes everyone happy.


The solution is to grab an Orb of Regret and unspecc the Keystone if your build is not designed for it. "Bricked" build fixed for you.
Last edited by zzang#1847 on Apr 21, 2021, 6:40:14 AM

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