And so GGG stands their ground with the will of the players still intact.

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DarthSki44 wrote:

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Exile009 wrote:

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DarthSki44 wrote:

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D2R will smash the fuck out of whatever bloated league launch PoE churns out at the same time.

In fact, the PoE playerbase is so fractional to Diablo, it barely even matters. When D2R comes out we will be discussing it in terms of millions, not peak couple hundred thousand. It's laughable.

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Quoted for posterity. We shall see when the time comes just how accurate our resident Blizzard fanboi's (and that's based on more than just this one quote, in case anyone here isn't familiar with you) prediction is. I hope you don't have any excuses ready for if things don't go as you say. ;)

Also, don't crow too early. 'The time' in this case is not launch day, but some time after. Even I won't bother doubting Blizzards' prodigious marketing talent.

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Well just say what you are thinking about D2R.

I don't need excuses because I have zero skin in the game. Again I never said PoE will die, I said D2R will dwarf it. If you think differently fine. I know this will be shocking to you, but players are perfectly capable of playing multiple games. I will be interested to see what all the PoE streamers choose as their content. I have my suspicions that it wont be somehting GGG is looking forward to. Maybe GGG will be throwing money around for some sponsored streams.

Also what is some time after in your world? Because PoE every launch suffers massive player drops in terms of weeks. What I'm saying is the numbers will be fractional compared to Diablo in similar timeframes.

Plus Blizzard hasn't officially commented (to my knowledge) on the specifics of the live service features that will accompany D2R as it moves forward.

If you want to doubt and poo poo Diablo 2, go ahead. I want no part of that ship you are sailing on. D2R will be a MASSIVE multiplatform release, with incredible marketing, and social media support, not to mention Twitch and other streaming platforms.

If GGG was afraid of Cyberpunk, well...I hope their supply of toilet paper is stocked up.

EDIT: Side note, I know this is the PoE forums,

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when did it become an issue, or being a "Fanboi", to like Diablo 2? Jesus...

...It is? After reading your posts, I thought I missed the left turn at Albuquerque and ended up in Irvine California.

Like many of you I played the hell out of D2 and even played the modded Eastern Sun for a long time - thousands of hours. It was awesome. On it's best day D2 is about 1/10th as good as POE - anyone disputing this is living in fantasy land.

But, we shall see how many idiots are out there that are living in the past....now regarding Harvest nerfs...holy hell just stop Discord trading and there is no need to nerf anything. It is so simple I am just shaking my head why GGG is not willing to do this.

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MrWonderful99 wrote:

now regarding Harvest nerfs...holy hell just stop Discord trading and there is no need to nerf anything. It is so simple I am just shaking my head why GGG is not willing to do this.

It isn't really. Firstly because the most straightforward way of doing that - making Harvest crafted items account bound items - is something both GGG and also much of the playerbase is dead set against. And secondly because shutting down the Discord doesn't address the gameplay effect of Harvest, which is to nullify all other aspects of the game as underpowered, resulting in people just endlessly spamming Atolls searching for Harvest because no other content promises as much of a power boost as Harvest does. Indeed getting rid of the Discord somehow will only encourage people to do that more, as well as strongly favour group and guild play (not to mention trade chat ugh!) over solo as a replacement, since they won't be able to just buy it any time on TFT anymore.

Harvests' problem isn't simply that people have worked out a way to pool it - it's WHY they were motivated enough to pool it in the first place. Which is because it's just so powerful there's no point paying any mind to any other part of the game while it remains in the state it is. Not that I agree with the way GGG has chosen to go about nerfing it, but it did indeed require a nerf.

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DarthSki44 wrote:

Personally PoE has exhausted me because of the bloat. I just cannot imagine playing next league, doing all the acts, unlocking the atlas, region passives, Maven, watchstones, delve, incursions, betrayal, crafting, and more. It just too fucking much, way too much.

Need a break for sure. I dont know how many leagues I will take off, but the bloat, along with the GGG balancing and elite focus has really turned me off.

You've been complaining about this game's bloat for leagues now, and yet here you are with 29 challenges in the latest league again under your belt. Ironic, especially considering you're arguing with someone who didn't even bother with the league this time. And yet look which of us is being dismissive of the game, and which is still holding it up. I suppose I should expect to see you playing the next patch again then, even while continuing to still wax on about how much the game is a slog for you. So see you at 36 in Ultimatum then? ;) :p

My profile is open so you can check on my league play all you want. I barely played Heist, which fuck me I didn't even mention in my bloat list.

I tried this league not because of Ritual, which actually sucks, but I wanted to experience the Maven endgame and atlas passives. I can 100% tell you that I'm not prepared for that grind again in a few weeks. I'm not playing this upcoming league in April, it's just not happening.

I haven't had a 30+ challenge league since Metamorph and Legion. Didnt play Blight at all, barley touched a couple others.

Anyways like I said the game has basically bloated and balanced me out. The Harvest manifesto was so out of touch, it was essentially the last thing I needed to hear to confirm my intention to take a PoE break. Icing on cake, the last straw, insert whatever metaphor you want.

I just dont like the direction things are going. The balancing, the loot, the core game, and league bloat.

Again I know the PoE forms aren't exactly the place to go looking for any sympathy or love for Diablo. That shit dont bother me at all. Either you enjoy the game you are playing or you dont. I'm not enjoying PoE at the moment, and I'm looking forward to D2R.

As for D2R, do and say whatever you want. I think its totally hyperbolic to say that anyone that enjoys or plays D2R is part of the sad state of gaming, or if people buy games from a mega-publisher, they are part of some bigger problem. Fucking look in the mirror with Tencent. I dont want to hear any bullshit about Blizzard if we are really going down that road. Setting up the excuse that if D2R is successful it's a systemic gaming problem. Nah bro, its people just enjoying a classic game.

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MrWonderful99 wrote:

now regarding Harvest nerfs...holy hell just stop Discord trading and there is no need to nerf anything. It is so simple I am just shaking my head why GGG is not willing to do this.

As if GGG has the ability to do that. Newsflash: they don't.

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DarthSki44 wrote:

As for D2R, do and say whatever you want. I think its totally hyperbolic to say that anyone that enjoys or plays D2R is part of the sad state of gaming, or if people buy games from a mega-publisher, they are part of some bigger problem. Fucking look in the mirror with Tencent. I dont want to hear any bullshit about Blizzard if we are really going down that road. Setting up the excuse that if D2R is successful it's a systemic gaming problem. Nah bro, its people just enjoying a classic game.

Nice strawman you got there. I didn't say anything about it being wrong to buy a game from a big publisher. No, I specifically took issue with your rationale for why D4 would succeed - because of slavish brand loyalty, even despite previously being burned, coupled with the power of Blizzards' marketing machine. Neither says much about the quality of the game. And yes, those are shitty reasons for a game to succeed. The FIFA games are terrible not because they're published by a big company, but because they reliably sell well no matter how much shit EA pulls in every iteration. You waxed eloquent about how Blizzard had a loyal base and had massive plans for promoting the game, which says nothing about the game.

The one thing you did say about Diablo the actual game is that, in your opinion, it has a better endgame - something not just I but also at least one other here found laughable, because of how shallow (or 'non-existent' in his words) it is. And I pointed out that a similar endgame - but more besides - already exists in other ARPG's that've failed to outcompete PoE, such as Grim Dawn. So much for that. So that leaves you once again with relying on the power of Blizzards' brand and marketing as your only rationale for believing in D4. Which you may even be right about, but yes I consider those to be shitty reasons for a game to succeed, and hope it doesn't triumph again.

Edit: Tbf, one other thing you make mention of, although never expand on, is that D2 has PvP. Ironically, PoE already has more PvP options than D2 does, it's just that no one uses it (partly because it's still not balanced, but don't pretend D2's PvP is in any way balanced either). And GGG did actually take a first step towards improving the PvP in PoE years ago, and was roundly rejected by the playerbase for even trying. So apparently the playerbase itself has little interest in using ARPG's to engage in PvP. So that point falls flat too - indeed even in D2 PvP is played by a minority of players.

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DarthSki44 wrote:

D2R will smash the fuck out of whatever bloated league launch PoE churns out at the same time.

The notion that somehow Diablo is a 1 month only game is stupendously obtuse. The amount of hours people have logged into D2 (including myself) outrageously dwarfs PoE.

In fact, the PoE playerbase is so fractional to Diablo, it barely even matters. When D2R comes out we will be discussing it in terms of millions, not peak couple hundred thousand. It's laughable.

Will PoE die. No. Is PoE a niche game that is decent? Sure. But let's not get carried away ffs.

As far as the #1 arpg... haha wtf is the standard here? PoE in this market should be killing it, and have a crazy amount of players. Being the smartest dumb kid in the class, still makes you dumb.

Everyone will see that when D2R walks into the room. The unconditional love fest for GGG and PoE is equal parts hilarious as it is sad.

It wouldn't surprise me that current gen players will get bored of mephisto/diablo/baal runs very quickly. When it comes to actual content POE has a lot more. When you see people here complaining about going through the story one more time, I am thinking, aren't these very same people going to do the exact same thing multiple times through the D2R campaign?

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Exile009 wrote:

Harvests' problem isn't simply that people have worked out a way to pool it - it's WHY they were motivated enough to pool it in the first place.

Yeah, Harvest really showed us how bad the other crafting systems were. It will, btw, still be the best method to craft next league, especially in trade league and if you are rich. What will they do then? Nerf it again?

Or maybe buff the other crafting methods?

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Reinhart wrote:

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DarthSki44 wrote:

D2R will smash the fuck out of whatever bloated league launch PoE churns out at the same time.

The notion that somehow Diablo is a 1 month only game is stupendously obtuse. The amount of hours people have logged into D2 (including myself) outrageously dwarfs PoE.

In fact, the PoE playerbase is so fractional to Diablo, it barely even matters. When D2R comes out we will be discussing it in terms of millions, not peak couple hundred thousand. It's laughable.

Will PoE die. No. Is PoE a niche game that is decent? Sure. But let's not get carried away ffs.

As far as the #1 arpg... haha wtf is the standard here? PoE in this market should be killing it, and have a crazy amount of players. Being the smartest dumb kid in the class, still makes you dumb.

Everyone will see that when D2R walks into the room. The unconditional love fest for GGG and PoE is equal parts hilarious as it is sad.

It wouldn't surprise me that current gen players will get bored of mephisto/diablo/baal runs very quickly. When it comes to actual content POE has a lot more. When you see people here complaining about going through the story one more time, I am thinking, aren't these very same people going to do the exact same thing multiple times through the D2R campaign?

No, it was possible to skip the whole D2 campaign if you had a buddy to pull you.

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MrWonderful99 wrote:

now regarding Harvest nerfs...holy hell just stop Discord trading and there is no need to nerf anything. It is so simple I am just shaking my head why GGG is not willing to do this.

As if GGG has the ability to do that. Newsflash: they don't.

Newsflash: They would have ways to make it inefficient, though. Not just account binding items, you could also make it such that only one person / account can craft on an item (such that you can still sell it, but it can't be crafted further upon), or you could make a trading cooldown for 1 hour after Harvest crafting on an item.

If they want Harvest crafts to be traded, they should support it in-game like they do with beast crafting. If they don't, well... they should do something about TFT. This schizophrenic situation we have right now is pretty dumb.