Why does no one link GMP with LMP for Freezing Pulse?

It's because

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MrEnzyme wrote:

5 x .5 = 2.5 (GMP)
7 x .35 = 2.45 (GMP+LMP)

So its worse in every way, less damage even with all projectiles stacking on one target, more mana cost, and less individual damage per projectile for shorter freeze and shock durations. Theres your answer

this is false actually. under most circumstances it is worse, but when dealing with crits and shock, it is better.

ex 1, shock. lets say the pulse does 200 damage per projectile (for simplicity) if it shocks, the shock cascades

5 projectiles (200 x 0.5 = 100) = (100 + 140 + 180 + 220 + 220) for a total of 860 damage
7 projectiles (200 x 0.35 = (70 + 98 + 137 + 192 + 192 + 192 + 192) for a total of 1073

next example, with 400 crit damage.

5 projectiles (500 + 500 + 500 +500 +500) = 1500
7 projectiles (350 + 350 + 350 + 350 + 350) = 2450

and for a final example, shock + crit.

5 projectiles (500 + 700 + 980 + 1372 + 1372) = 4924
7 projectiles (350 + 490 + 686 + 960 + 960 + 960 +960) = 5367

i wish ppl would read the game mechanics thread before starting a dumb topic would reduce bullshit in forum by 90%

btw the same applys for the chaingem lvl 20 chain doenst mean +-0 dmg

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ventiman wrote:

i wish ppl would read the game mechanics thread before starting a dumb topic would reduce bullshit in forum by 90%

btw the same applys for the chaingem lvl 20 chain doenst mean +-0 dmg

Herpderp I know everything.

Right?

I've had this planned for when i get a 6L. It's not worth this on a 5L...

The math behind it:

Just GMP

base dmg = 1317.8

1317.8 x 5 = 6589

6589 x 4.76 (476% crit multiplier) = 32,648.84


GMP+LMP:

Base DMG = 1037.8

1037.8 x 7 = 7264.6

7264.6 x 4.76 (crit multiplier) = 34,579.496


I'm not sure how you guys think it does less dmg... It will give shorter freezes/shocks though

Oh and btw if you had optimal gear for crit multiplier (i do not) the difference in dmg would get larger.

The reason they think it does less damage is because they're not taking in to account the bonus projectile dmg from the LMP gem.

The other reason is because they think it's hard to stack all 7 projectiles on one monster.

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Swordsman001 wrote:

Once LMP is leveled all the way, it has no downside besides mana cost.


GMP only suffers a small (12%?) downside after being leveled.

Is it because of the mana cost?

It's because of the mana cost, partly yes.

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Zerovirus27 wrote:

I've had this planned for when i get a 6L. It's not worth this on a 5L...

The math behind it:

Just GMP

base dmg = 1317.8

1317.8 x 5 = 6589

6589 x 4.76 (476% crit multiplier) = 32,648.84


GMP+LMP:

Base DMG = 1037.8

1037.8 x 7 = 7264.6

7264.6 x 4.76 (crit multiplier) = 34,579.496


I'm not sure how you guys think it does less dmg... It will give shorter freezes/shocks though

Oh and btw if you had optimal gear for crit multiplier (i do not) the difference in dmg would get larger.

That holds true for Leveled/Quality gems, however you aren't taking into account what you gain from using something other than LMP. You are getting a relatively marginal benefit from the LMP. The fact that it's a nerf until you get quality and levels on the gems is pretty important. Are those quality/level benefits really better than an entire gem?

I leveled from 35 to 55 on a witch using freeze pulse with LMP+GMP.

The mana cost was always a problem. I got it so that I could take 3 shots at full cast speed but then each shot would have a small delay (about .3 seconds) unless I hit a mana pot.

This wasn't too much of a problem since stutter stepping, and circling targets is a fairly common way to play.

But in the end I switched to just GMP. With better gear I may go put the LMP back in.

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AtheistGod wrote:

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Zerovirus27 wrote:

I've had this planned for when i get a 6L. It's not worth this on a 5L...

The math behind it:

Just GMP

base dmg = 1317.8

1317.8 x 5 = 6589

6589 x 4.76 (476% crit multiplier) = 32,648.84


GMP+LMP:

Base DMG = 1037.8

1037.8 x 7 = 7264.6

7264.6 x 4.76 (crit multiplier) = 34,579.496


I'm not sure how you guys think it does less dmg... It will give shorter freezes/shocks though

Oh and btw if you had optimal gear for crit multiplier (i do not) the difference in dmg would get larger.

That holds true for Leveled/Quality gems, however you aren't taking into account what you gain from using something other than LMP. You are getting a relatively marginal benefit from the LMP. The fact that it's a nerf until you get quality and levels on the gems is pretty important. Are those quality/level benefits really better than an entire gem?

7264.6 instead of 6589 is such a small difference. i bet a ton of support gems will increase the damage alot more.also it will be hard to hit one target with all the projectiles at once