How come synthesis has not been made core?

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deserttfoxx wrote:

I know the puzzles were trash, but the mechanics and the lore were amazing.

I think synthesis return could be done in a soft adventure mode type mechanics, where you run the map, kill the boss, and it would have a chance to fracture the map, where it turns into a synthesized zone, sort of like delirium, so you would run the map again almost in a continuous loop until you killed the boss again, synthesized now.

Might be a lot of work, but synthesis should be properly implemented, its current state is not enough.

I dont think it was intended to core, but that just my guess.

Reason being: You had to run those mini-maps to unlock one puzzle piece.
I dont quite remember but I think you needed like 10 pieces to build anything useful, because many puzzle pieces just wouldnt fit.

Given the fact, that you would lose about a third of those mini-maps / puzzle pieces by design if you took the wrong turn while speeding towards the end and the blue stuff caught you as a result, you got kicked out. Plus we are at 5-10% spawn chance per league event now so it would take forever to collect enough pieces just for one go.

The rewards would need to be beyond amazing or barely anyone would bother engaging with that mechanic at all.
And while the rewards could potentially be super amazing, you had to datamine which bases and mods were needed to synthesize whatever you wanted and even then it was RNG based.
So you could have all the right items worth a couple of ex each and get absolutely nothing in return.


Thats fine in a league environment when you get basically unlimited attempts but as soon as a %-based spawn chance is involved, its borderline unplayable.

Oh 100% this.
People were getting "Splodies like day one... i think that made Chris pretty sad. It was a really cool system, did work out though.

+1. Although, at this point, any implementation of Synthesis back into the game would be appreciated in my eyes (as an optional side activity you can choose to partake in). Because what's in the game currently is not Synthesis but rather just a gimmick and one that you can only encounter very rarely. I personally would like Synthesis to come back as it was towards the end of 3.6 with the memory board and synthesizer, but some are still waiting on that to this day, so who knows what they will do or if change anything. One can only hope.

Because reddit was filled with 24/7 crying & circlejerking about how Synthesis requires a PhD and relies on 3rd party websites. Funny how no one minds alt tabbing 80 times per session to price check and buy items, check poedb for infuence mods, pob to track your builds progress, poeninja for whatever etc. but you're telling me it's suddenly a problem to alt tab and see possible outcomes of certain mod combinations? Yeah right...

It's also weird to me how nonchalant ggg was about just scrapping the whole thing despite how much work was put into it and how rich Synthesis was in content. Cavas' VO alone had more content than the following 3 leagues that came after Synthesis.

Another funny thing were those same people screeching about how Synthesis items are insane powercreep with the corny catchphrase "Synthesis was a mistake", while casually ignoring the thing that powercreeped the game the most in my 10 years of playing it, the awakener orb and conqueror influenced items. Tailwind and Elusive, literally 2 ascendancies on a pair of boots is fine, Baran's explode chest mod is fine, but Synthesised explode implicit on bows is somehow insane powercreep and must be removed to save the almighty game balance lmao.

I also appreciate how Blight, Legion & Metamoprh went core, it's simply unbelievable how great in quality and rich in content those 3 are, I mean metamoprh has a whole FIVE different organ types, can you believe that? And somehow Synthesis isn't good enough to be a part of the game's core.

The whole situation with Synthesis is filled with so much hypocrisy both from the community and from ggg.

I will mention 1 possibly redeemable aspect however, it seems that ggg isn't a 100% giving up on Synthesis and forgetting about it. Harvest allowed you to fracture and Synthesise items, Heist drops them too, Ritual offers them quite frequtnely as well, they re-added the Boss fights as unique maps, so certain parts of Synthesis are still present in the game, which gives me some hopefully not false hope that eventually the whole thing will return, perhaps in a polished way? Who knows.

The other commenter with his poe 4.0 speculation is possibly onto something promissing regarding the comeback of Synthesis.

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I will mention 1 possibly redeemable aspect however, it seems that ggg isn't a 100% giving up on Synthesis and forgetting about it. Harvest allowed you to fracture and Synthesise items, Heist drops them too, Ritual offers them quite frequtnely as well, they re-added the Boss fights as unique maps, so certain parts of Synthesis are still present in the game, which gives me some hopefully not false hope that eventually the whole thing will return, perhaps in a polished way? Who knows.

They gave up on Synthesis. I think ultimately nobody, neither GGG nor the community could separate the Synthesizer from the rest of the content the league offered and they most likely feel like for whatever reason bringing back the Nexus means having to bring back the Synthesizer even though they absolutely could just not have a synthesizer there.

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VolcanoElixir wrote:

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I will mention 1 possibly redeemable aspect however, it seems that ggg isn't a 100% giving up on Synthesis and forgetting about it. Harvest allowed you to fracture and Synthesise items, Heist drops them too, Ritual offers them quite frequtnely as well, they re-added the Boss fights as unique maps, so certain parts of Synthesis are still present in the game, which gives me some hopefully not false hope that eventually the whole thing will return, perhaps in a polished way? Who knows.

They gave up on Synthesis. I think ultimately nobody, neither GGG nor the community could separate the Synthesizer from the rest of the content the league offered and they most likely feel like for whatever reason bringing back the Nexus means having to bring back the Synthesizer even though they absolutely could just not have a synthesizer there.

And based on what are you so adamant about there being no chance to bring back the Synthisiser? Yes, if nexus returns, it should return with the Synthisiser, perhaps tweak it a bit so that it shows you possible outcomes and requirements in the game's interface, but I don't see a single reason why it shouldn't or couldn't come back.

We already have a way of Synthesising items with Harvest, I don't see how it would affect the game badly if Synthesis returned with it's full crafting potential, which would be quite preferable since crafting was a big aspect of it that most of us whom are religiously obsessed with Synthesis liked about it.

If ggg took the stick out of their ass and realized that the local NZ talent is drying up, and found someone, from anywhere on the world who's a skilled and knowledgeable UX designer, plenty of things with Synthesis' UI included would be much much better in poe.

I like Synthesis.

It was probably a little too complicated for the average player.
It should become part of the core game, although in a simplified manner.

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And based on what are you so adamant about there being no chance to bring back the Synthisiser?

Well.. if it was the gameplay aspect that was the biggest reason for Synthesis being gone then Heist wouldn't be in core either, so it's easy for me to assume that they really just did not like the Synthesizer being an active part of the game.

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We already have a way of Synthesising items with Harvest, I don't see how it would affect the game badly if Synthesis returned with it's full crafting potential, which would be quite preferable since crafting was a big aspect of it that most of us whom are religiously obsessed with Synthesis liked about it.

Largely cause the Harvest version of turning an item into a synthesized base isn't deterministic crafting and functions closer to a very safe version of vaaling an item.

Also, what you just said about saying about people religiously being obsessed with Synthesis because it had the crafting was exactly what I mean when I say people couldn't bring themselves to separate the synthesizer from the rest of the leeague. The Synthesizer was just a small part of the league, with the whole league being a suite of events with different goals to strive for with different ways to utilize the nexus, and synthesized items weren't even the only new crafting option, but everybody could only focus on the Synthesizer as if it was the entire league.

I am a huge fan of Synthesis, but the Synthesizer wasn't required to enjoy the league.

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Also, what you just said about saying about people religiously being obsessed with Synthesis because it had the crafting was exactly what I mean when I say people couldn't bring themselves to separate the synthesizer from the rest of the leeague. The Synthesizer was just a small part of the league, with the whole league being a suite of events with different goals to strive for with different ways to utilize the nexus, and synthesized items weren't even the only new crafting option, but everybody could only focus on the Synthesizer as if it was the entire league.

I am a huge fan of Synthesis, but the Synthesizer wasn't required to enjoy the league.

I suppose I missunderstood you if that's the case, I thought that you personally didn't want the Synthisiser to return. I do agree that it wasn't a necessity to enjoy the league, but it ended up being a quite important aspect of it that to no surprise plenty of us actually enjoyed.

Yes it is deterministic crafting, but the base crafting it self is completely random. With the Synthisiser you at least had an idea of what you could expect given which combination of mods you're attempting to Synthesise, so it wasn't as random.

The only design flaw with it was that you had to hoard fractured items, which again isn't a problem without a solution. My original suggestion 2 years ago was a fractured items catalogue. Back in Synthesis this was a very fresh idea and we had nothing like it, but since Synthesis we've had Harvest with it's horticrafting stations and the seed cache, we also have Heist with it's locker, so the technology to execute something like a fractured items catalogue is obviously there at this point. It would solve this issue and also allow everyone to partake in Synthesis crafting, since these types of stashes are free and given to everyone playing the league.

Make the catalogue's UI good and functional and you could have a very enjoyable mechanic.

Literally the only thing wrong with Synthesis was the blue goop. Get rid of that, and it's a fantastic mechanic. But it won't happen, because GGG is incapable of doing anything that doesn't have some kind of draconian restriction that ruins enjoyment.