[3.12] Dejuvenate's Best Starter Build for Chieftain/Trickster bar none - Unethical FlameSlinger

This is the best starter build for fresh league bar none. Requires only flame wall to work.


You can run it as your first character. Only problem is Chieftain can't naturally get flamewall and spellslinger, so you gotta use something else until you get that, or ask someone to hook you up with flamewall.

There are chaos slinger and cold slinger, but I'd say this flameslinger beats them by quite a margin. Both as single target and clear. The clear as flameslinger is kinda unethical.

VIDEO SHOWCASE
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This was made by a guildmate just to show how the build plays. Wrong ascendancy, wrong tree, and low lvl gems.

video showcase


WHY?
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Flamewall is one of the highest damage over time skills in the game. It requires almost nothing to work. 2-3 link is enough to carry us thru entire story. 4 link is superfluous.

Flamewall has 2 component to it.
When an enemy pass thru a FW, a primary dot is applied to them. They also receive a secondary dot that DEALS OMFGWTFBBQMOAR dmg that is the basis of this build.

At lvl 20 the primary deals 456.3 dot, while the secondary deals 1825 dot.

As a comparison, ED deals 1503 dot.

But wait Dejuv, ED is easily spread with Contagion, that's what makes chaos slinger so good isnt it? The brainlessness of it. You just shoot and it automatically casts ED and Contagion, and the contagion spreads ED like cancer.

This is basically what we are aiming when we introduce a payload carrier. See, Flamewall secondary dot doesn't require an enemy to touch the flamewall to be applied. A projectile that passes thru FW will also apply the secondary burn to any and all enemies it touches.

This is the proof of concept from a video on youtube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKoOUEos-Yw

I have tried what the video says, and figured out Ball lightning to be the best deliverer, but still too slow for my taste. And casting flamewall is kinda clunky after a while.

Enter spellslinger and Kinetic Blast.



+/-
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+ Retarded, unethical clear speed. 1-2 screen wipe with 1 right click
+ no worry about ele reflect, no leech, minus resist, no regen (kinda annoying)
+ Do all map mods without looking, best for clearing atlas fast
+ Cheap, requires nothing to start

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- Limited scaling, the dps caps at around 1m dps, so don't expect to faceroll sirus with it unless you really know the mechanics
- Expensive to min max, as I said flamewall is good from the get go, but it has limited scalability, unlike ignite, poison, crit, etc.
- You filthy unethical dog you.



Before Spell slinger (lvl 24)
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Level using flamewall and holy flame totem.

E FW
E FW T
E FW

Yes, my drawing skillz iz goewd

Position your Totem and flamewall so the projectiles from HFT pass thru flamewall and gain the benefits. Try it a couple times, you'll see what I mean.

At lvl 12 you can get power siphon (or bum from someone) to get a taste of what the style is gonna feel like. Same shit. You drop FW, then shoot your PS so they pass thru the FW.



At lvl 24
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buy spellslinger but keep doing what you were doing.


At lvl 28
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buy Kinetic Blast and start raping shit.

Links at lvl 28:
Flame wall - Spellslinger - Efficacy (31) - Ele Focus - Burning Damage (31) - Swift Affliction (31)/Controlled Destruction - even 4 link is enough to decimate the story. The links are in order of highest dps gain, but if you get different color, feel free to experiment.

Kinetic Blast - LMP - Pierce - This lets you proc all the secondary burn from flame wall.


At lvl 38:
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Buy GMP and chain.

Kinetic Blast - GMP - Chain - Combustion



Chieftain version will go life version, trickster will probably be better off going LL with shavs and prism guardian to reserve more auras and discipline.


DELIVERERS COMPARISON
So you put down flamewall, there are quite a few skills you can use to use to bring the wall to the mobs. If the mobs won't come to the wall, the wall will come to the mobs. I will list and discuss the top 3 and try to list other skills that people may think to use and explain why I wouldnt use them.

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Kinetic Blast
This is the premier of mass clears. This is what I finally decide to use as my payload deliverer.
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+ decent AOE, frequent hits, fast projectile

- fucking expensive mana wise
- needs lots of supports to be useful (GMP, chain)
- need some way to sustain mana. -8 mana cost to rings/ammy just to make them more viable.



Power Siphon
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+ Multiple native projectile, no need for GMP
+ built in culling strike
+ gives power charges and has higher crit chance to keep up EO
+ the visual of this skill is ASMR

- only hits 1 target at a time


Frenzy
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+ gives frenzy charge. 4% more dmg per frenzy so 12% base of MORE dmg.
+ faster attack speed due to inherent atk speed and frenzy charge

- only hits 1 target at a time
- needs lots of supports to be useful (GMP, chain)



Ball lightning
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+ massive aoe, frequent hits

- relatively slow moving hence small reach (around 1-1.5 screen)
- retardedly slow cast speed, using slinger means you need to reserve more mana.



Frost Bolt
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+ pretty fast moving with (2) threshold jewels (around 2 screen)
+ threshold jewels give more projectiles

- small aoe (only its own hitbox) - you'd miss a lot of enemies that way
- needs threshold jewels to be effective



Fire Ball
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+ Moderate AOE at the end of its travel (9 + 9)
+ decent dmg to start with

- Uh, this skill is shit to use as deliverer of flamewall. Look at other builds if you wanna use fireball.



ROUGH POB's

Trickster version, lvl 86
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https://pastebin.com/59E1H9pd
779k clear DPS (not boss)
cost around 40c total within 2 days of flashback
notice shit level gems, no awakened gems, only 1 cluster jewel


Chieftain version, lvl 77
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https://pastebin.com/E4EQANpx
795k clear DPS, 1m+ with covered with ash
cost total around 2-3ex but still with shit gems, invested in cluster jewel
notice much better gears and gems as it was my second char, I wanted to get a feeling of leveling chieftain using flamewall
My guides

[3.13 Ritual] Flameslinger - https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3009295
[3.5 Betrayal] Brutus AW Chieftain - https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2320224
[3.4 Delve] Toxic Rain - https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2207700
Last edited by dejuvenate on Jan 10, 2021, 12:47:50 AM
Last bumped on Jan 13, 2021, 1:12:12 AM
Please:
- move video into separate section
- more video with demonstration will be great
- need POB section
- your POB https://pastebin.com/bR6ufXTW is 3.5kk dps
Dan Sherman's POB https://pastebin.com/kKTSkWDr is 14.5kk dps
What benefits does your POB suggest?
- add deliverers skills comparison from video to guide. If u'll move all usefull information from video also - it will be amazing. Because reading is a lot faster than watching video.

Very interesting idea for build. Thx!)
Last edited by Vehs on Dec 26, 2020, 12:06:53 PM
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Vehs wrote:
Please:
- move video into separate section
- more video with demonstration will be great
- need POB section
- your POB https://pastebin.com/bR6ufXTW is 3.5kk dps
Dan Sherman's POB https://pastebin.com/kKTSkWDr is 14.5kk dps
What benefits does your POB suggest?
- add deliverers skills comparison from video to guide. If u'll move all usefull information from video also - it will be amazing. Because reading is a lot faster than watching video.

Very interesting idea for build. Thx!)


Thanks for the inputs. My PC is a dinosaur but I'll try to get some sort of illustration going.

The video from flame wall delivery is manually casting flamewall, and relying on trigger socketed spell to "proc" the deliverer.

My concept is basically playing this as spellslinger. My POB is nowhere near being complete as I just started playing this and figured this is a perfect starter build.
My guides

[3.13 Ritual] Flameslinger - https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3009295
[3.5 Betrayal] Brutus AW Chieftain - https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2320224
[3.4 Delve] Toxic Rain - https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2207700
One change in Dan Sherman's POB that gives us +2.5% dps and +128 ES regen
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- Sir, will you develop this guide later? In 3.13. I'm very interested in this.
- About deliverers skills: are we use all of them together or shall we use only one at ours choice?
Last edited by Vehs on Dec 27, 2020, 4:55:43 AM
For those who are looking at this now I had a SSFHC character that I got to 89 before it ripped (I dont remember what killed me)

Here is my POB that I think is pretty illustrative of what a league start character would like

https://pastebin.com/Eme4CepR

I personally preferred using power siphon with chain over kinetic blast but between the two is purely preference.

The clear was really good and I flew through maps until until T13 ish where the single target damage really felt lacking and since I know most people don't play HCSSF most of these problems can be easily fixed by not speccing into any block and dual wielding and/or using a staff

- xkillbox5000x, good idea with linking combustion support with deliverer skill
- Guys, what do you think about Concentrated effect support with Flame wall?
It's a very good idea for the build. I'd like to test chieftain version, but I don't think that chieftain is a good league starter here. Without the clusters he can't deal good damage.
Here is my thoughts: https://pastebin.com/gAHz9B4g
It's about 1.8kk sirus dps with spellslinger and almost without any gear. Very promising.
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Ruderatus wrote:
It's a very good idea for the build. I'd like to test chieftain version, but I don't think that chieftain is a good league starter here. Without the clusters he can't deal good damage.
Here is my thoughts: https://pastebin.com/gAHz9B4g
It's about 1.8kk sirus dps with spellslinger and almost without any gear. Very promising.


Thank you for your testing. I league started as trickster for flashback and reached 90 in less than 24 hrs /played. I thought chieftain version would be better as he can reach better life and regen, as well as using 2 clusters.

Tomorrow i will post my old pob. I stopped playing flashback to continue theorycrafting this further. But needless to say if you have nt tried flameslinger, you should. The leaguestart clear and ease of play is just unrivalled by anything else at the moment imho.
My guides

[3.13 Ritual] Flameslinger - https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3009295
[3.5 Betrayal] Brutus AW Chieftain - https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2320224
[3.4 Delve] Toxic Rain - https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2207700
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Vehs wrote:
One change in Dan Sherman's POB that gives us +2.5% dps and +128 ES regen
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- Sir, will you develop this guide later? In 3.13. I'm very interested in this.
- About deliverers skills: are we use all of them together or shall we use only one at ours choice?


Just use 1. The video I linked use all 3 as triggered spells. But imho spellslinger is just so much smoother.



My guides

[3.13 Ritual] Flameslinger - https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3009295
[3.5 Betrayal] Brutus AW Chieftain - https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2320224
[3.4 Delve] Toxic Rain - https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2207700
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Vehs wrote:
- xkillbox5000x, good idea with linking combustion support with deliverer skill
- Guys, what do you think about Concentrated effect support with Flame wall?


I have tried conc effect. It is really much better multiplier but at much higher mana muktiplier.

Also unless you aim close to your char, your outer projectiles can sometimes fly outside the flamewall and not apply the dmg.

Try it out and see.

Ps. I use combustion on my deliverer too, it makes sense to do it.
My guides

[3.13 Ritual] Flameslinger - https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3009295
[3.5 Betrayal] Brutus AW Chieftain - https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2320224
[3.4 Delve] Toxic Rain - https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2207700

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