Leveling alt characters Boring+Burnout

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Baharoth15 wrote:

PS: if you want to be able to respec at will so that your choices don't matter, there is a game that offers exactly that, it's called D3. And it actually got a lot of backlash because of it. If you can just respec at will for no cost then build choices become irrelevant.

tell me what weighting not being able to respec at will truly has.
i dont know anything about the community of d3 but i dont think it got a backlash because they can respecc anytime, this is just no reason to get upset, its just a dumb mechanic defended by those who cant get their heads around smooth gameplay.

since we have regret orbs and everyone participating in trading has the currency to buy enough of them this shiddy nonsense gets trivialized anyway.

its just another inconvinience out of so many in this game just being there because why not i guess.

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Tolerantzdestr0yer wrote:

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Baharoth15 wrote:

PS: if you want to be able to respec at will so that your choices don't matter, there is a game that offers exactly that, it's called D3. And it actually got a lot of backlash because of it. If you can just respec at will for no cost then build choices become irrelevant.

tell me what weighting not being able to respec at will truly has.
i dont know anything about the community of d3 but i dont think it got a backlash because they can respecc anytime, this is just no reason to get upset, its just a dumb mechanic defended by those who cant get their heads around smooth gameplay.

since we have regret orbs and everyone participating in trading has the currency to buy enough of them this shiddy nonsense gets trivialized anyway.

its just another inconvinience out of so many in this game just being there because why not i guess.

It's a very basic concept really, if a choice has no consequences and can be reverted without any costs then the choice becomes outright meaningless. You no longer have to think about "what build should I make and how should he look like" before hand. You just go, level a character and then respec him at will to play whatever you may ever want. I have exactly 5 characters in D3, 1 for each class because I never had any reason to make another. Is that more convenient? Yeah sure. But the entire concept of having builds is made obsolete. It's probably pointless to try and explain that to you as you only seem to care about convenience and everything being easy but i'd say especially the older player generation, those who nerded D1 and D2 like crazy has a major gripe with this, at least I have. Planning a build in POB, testing it in practice and then perfecting it in the process is one of the best part's of this game and it's mostly meaningless in D3.

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Baharoth15 wrote:

It's a very basic concept really, if a choice has no consequences and can be reverted without any costs then the choice becomes outright meaningless.

thats pretty new theory. care to link sources?

it seems to confuse two concepts at the same time.

choice (in this case build choice) has consequences - your character plays a certain way, has a certain power

it doesnt matter how borring it is to get there. and i think you wanted to imply that level of boredom somehow impacts the choice's outcome. which is something new, entirely

mixing costs (borring, time consuming, easy etc) with consequence (build's performance) and pretending it is the same thing.. just please stop


btw D3 has 7 classes.. so you might have played long, long time ago

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Planning a build in POB, testing it in practice and then perfecting it in the process is one of the best part's of this game and it's mostly meaningless in D3.

and how does this has anything to do with 1-68 with twink gear (because you cannot play 'as' your crafted build before that level)? how is playing a leveling setup making that experience better in any way? it is meaningless filler made so it FEELS to matter. in fact - it doesnt.

let me guess how much %playerbase would NOT use a button to create lvl 70, no-gear, all quests complete character instead of using 8hours to twink if they had a choice.

5%? 10%? TOPS

there are like 10 skills you can level from 1 till endgame that make any sense in endgame. everyone else has to waste more or less of their life to get there playing as some meaningless throwaway character. this is truly meaningless experience.

Who is following who around now huh?

You can probably google just as well as i can, but i am honestly not even sure if there are any academic essays on common sense available on the internet and if you honestly can't understand this concept then they would probably be wasted on you regardless.

A character playing a certain way or having a certain power means nothing if you can change it for free at any given point. The initial choice for the build is meaningless because it doesn't affect you at all.

Costs and choice aren't the same thing but the former has a massive impact on the importance of the latter. Do i use my left food or my right food when i get out of the bed in the morning is a rather irrelevant choice nobody conciously bothers with. Do i buy this car or the other when both cost 50k+ bucks however is a relevant choice for most people but i guess for you that's also just another inconvience and you'd like to see a world where everything is for free right? Or maybe not even having different cars in the first place because one might be strictly better than the other making your life unfun and imbalanced?

And yes it's been a long time since i last played D3 because imo the game is boring and lame as hell. You should give it a try though, i'd say you'll love it. No more unfair builds scaling on gem levels while others have to buy weapons, no more releveling characters. Dunno if it would solve your melee complex but at least 2 of your major gripes with POE aren't present in D3.

Not going to address your second part because it's the same nonsense as in the first.

PS: Since you feel so offended by the fact that i reply to some of your posts and since talking to you is just pissing me off anyway, this will be the last time i ever offend you. Have a nice life.

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Tolerantzdestr0yer wrote:

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ArtCrusade wrote:

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Tolerantzdestr0yer wrote:

I love reading your posts

Thanks honey. If I cared at all I'd tattoo that on a wall, but alas, I do not. On the same matter, what have you added to the conversation except stirring the pot? Boring.

People shouldn't be able to change their characters like they change their clothes. I have explained that the reason behind my stance is the same why I defend the death penalty. If you don't understand my perspective, in your words, that is not a me-problem, that is a you-problem.

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Sky7a wrote:

Let just hope the new campaign of poe will be shorter ... i sincerely doubt they will anytime remove the leveling throught act.

Even if it was the same length, it'd be some change from the usual. Will be fun to figure out good new routes and explore Wraeclast from a different side. :)

"On the same matter, what have you added to the conversation except stirring the pot? Boring."
funny you mentioning this, you rushed at page 100 to the defense of the death penality without reading anything and be like
no need to thank me, my job here is done!

"People shouldn't be able to change their characters like they change their clothes."

lets agree to disagree at this point, i think this static behavior of games is horrible

That's funny, because you didn't even read the 1st page apparently. I already voiced my opinion on that very 1st page. Actually, my replies are through and through the thread. Guess you are the one who didn't actually follow the thread enough.

We can agree to disagree on that and it'll still be hilarious how you have to bring up other threads and still be wrong. There are ways to make the game more casual-friendly and still maintain aspects of the game that make PoE appealing to the hardcore gamer community. You know, the kinda people why this game is still running.

even if you skip few acts, youll get bored quick.



best way to cure burning out is to take a break. come back in a year or so. thats what i do.



what poeple here suggesting is what D3 is offering.
you guys thinkin you got valid point on this matter , but you don't.

you're simply bored and need a break. a long one.


say you start at maps , delve right away .
what will you get? the reward wont be good. it depletes overtime, especially in sc leagues.

you want to respec same character ? sure! but next build you make can reuse gears and gems . so you cut down on progression. now youll get bored of that build even quicker than the one before b/c you don't have that sence of progress.


the more and more you try to skip things you don't wanna do, gets you to the end even quicker . which results in more boredom.

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Baharoth15 wrote:

Honestly, why not give everyone the option to create fully geared (with perfect gear ofc) level 100 characters from the start? I mean, leveling and killing monsters to find gear is just so repetitive and boring, why not just skip it? It's so outdated in a 2020 game. Modern games should just reward you for logging in, people's time is far too valuable to be wasted on actually playing games.

Did i ever said anything about gear?
The story line is just boring as hell. I have more then 2000 hours in this game and i prefer just doing the endgame stuff since the rest is just plain and boring as *** thats why.

You really do sound like a fanboy lol. Please dont touch the holy old boring RPG system please! Let them add the option so you can still do the boring leveling and i can enjoy the endgame from the get go.

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Dudebag wrote:

even if you skip few acts, youll get bored quick.



best way to cure burning out is to take a break. come back in a year or so. thats what i do.



what poeple here suggesting is what D3 is offering.
you guys thinkin you got valid point on this matter , but you don't.

you're simply bored and need a break. a long one.


say you start at maps , delve right away .
what will you get? the reward wont be good. it depletes overtime, especially in sc leagues.

you want to respec same character ? sure! but next build you make can reuse gears and gems . so you cut down on progression. now youll get bored of that build even quicker than the one before b/c you don't have that sence of progress.


the more and more you try to skip things you don't wanna do, gets you to the end even quicker . which results in more boredom.

i Disagree. It safes me time and let me do what i actually want to do.
That certain things work for people doesnt mean it is for everyone.
I have 1000's of hours in this game and 1000's in many others.
Iam done having to chew on an old cherry before i can eat the cake.

Its not like POE doesnt have a lot of endgame.
You guys are acting like i would be done in a few games lol...
Even if Endgame was the only thing POE had at this moment it would be way more then the 6-8 boring hours of leveling.

The story isnt anything special. The gameplay in the story isnt aswell.
Its oke ish. But its not fun to do this over and over.

They should offer a different game of getting to endgame with a certain league for example.

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Tolerantzdestr0yer wrote:

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Baharoth15 wrote:

PS: if you want to be able to respec at will so that your choices don't matter, there is a game that offers exactly that, it's called D3. And it actually got a lot of backlash because of it. If you can just respec at will for no cost then build choices become irrelevant.

tell me what weighting not being able to respec at will truly has.
i dont know anything about the community of d3 but i dont think it got a backlash because they can respecc anytime, this is just no reason to get upset, its just a dumb mechanic defended by those who cant get their heads around smooth gameplay.

since we have regret orbs and everyone participating in trading has the currency to buy enough of them this shiddy nonsense gets trivialized anyway.

its just another inconvinience out of so many in this game just being there because why not i guess.

Its not a dumb mechanic in my opinion.

If poe had this option i would play there leagues a lot more.
Poe has so many options with their skills and combinations that i would try way more things out.

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sidtherat wrote:

^ for real? Have we went this low? Noone is asking for perfect gear nor lvl 100.

Read the OP before answering next time.



On topic: leveling alts is a time sink (deliberate or not - hard to tell). Initially they maed it this way so decisions have weight. In game so brutally casualised as POE had become this is probably the only part that sticks to this concept.

Gameplay is more and more auto-play. Archetypes remove build exploration. Auto-win skill choices make sure you cannot fail. And suddenly this. Like wtf?

Each time i want to try a new character (caster) i use the same gear and gems till lvl68 (that i farm in blood aqueduct). How is it fun? And no, i cannot level 'as' a character vecause most mechanics/gear interactions are lvl65+ (directly or indirectly - like 5% life on block does jack sheet with 1900life total i have at lvl 67)

The only passable leveling experience is melee but it is passable in the bad way. You are challenged by any mob you face so the endfame starts early (divine ire totems on the other hand: lvl 73, tier 13 6mod map, 2200life, no risk whatsoever..).

Problem is that the older you get the more precious the time becomes. Wasting 8hours just to get to maps (realistic for most players) means 8hours that is not fun nor investment. Leveling for nth time with the same setup (because alternatives are garbage) sure is boring as hell

Yep some people are to stupid and lazy to actually read the post.
They think i would like a level 100 with zero investment which isnt my point at all lol...

I even state that i would be ok if it is at the second character but it doesnt matter. They just want to insult