Brainstorming - Facetank Point-blank using Chin-sol

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Kirielis wrote:

Can anyone define two things for me: what is "close range" on Chin Sol, and how closely does it correspond to the 1.0 mark on Point Blank?

I have some ideas, but the real test of my build will be maps. At that time, I will probably post details if successful.

I will say however that this is far easier to play for more damage output than my FP witch, so far up to level 60.

I think same mechanic as Point Blank.



http://en.pathofexilewiki.com/wiki/Point_Blank

Its pretty easy to guage actually since chin sol knocks back at close range. So effectively as long as u see the knockback effect it means u're getting the 100% more dmg n full bonus of point blank.

Okay, yeah, the Chin Sol range question was kind of stupid. Does it correspond well with the 1.0 mark on PB though? As in, as long as I'm knocking things back, PB will have a multiplier above 1.0?

Chin Sol DPS caps out at ~196 DPS.

If we consider you will rarely get exactly >+90% from the point blank bonus,

along with the fact you will get better returns from better weaponry,

why not just invest in a Lioneye's or great thicket and take the keystone instead?

anyway just noticed that you don't care if its optimal. I guess my only input then is that stacking aspd on your gear where possible should help you keep stronger monsters from getting in melee range in combination with the knockback. GL and have fun!

I recommend doing this build asap so you can respec easily once we get the free reset on june 5th if you so desire.

Because Chin Sol is 2.0 and PB is maximum 1.5? Maybe because Chin Sol is also guaranteed close range knockback?

I actually went ahead and did the math on this with a better-than-lioneye Imperial. Depending on how much flat elemental damage you're stacking, Chin Sol at close range is equal to or better than said Imperial. This is before counting Point Blank.

So I hit 62 and did a few City of Sarn runs with each of two bows. Yes, I know, I need to 20% the Chin Sol. Anyway.

At close range, Chin Sol wins, hands down. At long range, there was minimal difference. (This is, for reference, a build that one-shots groups in merciless fellshrine using LA and the level 50 bow.)

Then I switched to using GMP. 71 mana per shot. Died repeatedly to running out of mana. Yay, me? I'll have to either link BM instead of mana leech or make an EB build. When I have mana, though, it's pretty awesome. Also seriously considering going IR instead of evasion.

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conall88 wrote:

Chin Sol DPS caps out at ~196 DPS.

If we consider you will rarely get exactly >+90% from the point blank bonus,

along with the fact you will get better returns from better weaponry,

why not just invest in a Lioneye's or great thicket and take the keystone instead?

anyway just noticed that you don't care if its optimal. I guess my only input then is that stacking aspd on your gear where possible should help you keep stronger monsters from getting in melee range in combination with the knockback. GL and have fun!

I recommend doing this build asap so you can respec easily once we get the free reset on june 5th if you so desire.

chin sol's base dps is 181.5

at close range it's 453 dps with 100% bonus and 50% point blank bonus.

how does it cap at ~196 dps?

and if u're assuming it'll rarely get pointblank and close range bonus, then obviously it's not the bow for u because u're using it wrongly. the whole point of chin sol is to use it at melee range.

sick of ppl who dont try it out themselves and only know how to say lioneye is better =/