Difference between Blizzard and GGG

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johnschroeder02 wrote:

One company designed a product to meet a demand in the marketplace. While the other company built a product that simply capitalizes on it's brand equity.

By what reasoning do you think you can make such a clear distinction here? If Diablo 3 sells, then there is clearly demand for it in the marketplace. The only way you can deny that is to take this angle that many around here take, and say that people buying Diablo are being conned by the hype or some such, rather than buying it because they do actually want to play the game. I just think that's an incredibly arrogant thing to do.

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johnschroeder02 wrote:

I was tempted to say they built a product and then told everyone that this is what they SHOULD want

Uh, you weren't just tempted, you did say that.

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kodr wrote:

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johnschroeder02 wrote:

Blizzard on the other hand seems to have built a product that a significant number of its community members have serious complaints about.

nah, it's called vocal minority.
I don't read a lot of bitching after the open beta and their 300k concurrent players.

Actually, it's not. All of my friends who tried beta for D3 have the same complaints I do.

It seems more along the lines that all of the "new" Diablo fans (and by "new" I mean all the ones coming from different games (just look at all the WoW forum users on the D3 boards)) are all happy-go-lucky about these changes.

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Kasmos wrote:

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kodr wrote:

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johnschroeder02 wrote:

Blizzard on the other hand seems to have built a product that a significant number of its community members have serious complaints about.

nah, it's called vocal minority.
I don't read a lot of bitching after the open beta and their 300k concurrent players.

Actually, it's not. All of my friends who tried beta for D3 have the same complaints I do.

It seems more along the lines that all of the "new" Diablo fans (and by "new" I mean all the ones coming from different games (just look at all the WoW forum users on the D3 boards)) are all happy-go-lucky about these changes.

I bought D1 on release day. I disagree with you.

So...

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Kasmos wrote:

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kodr wrote:

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johnschroeder02 wrote:

Blizzard on the other hand seems to have built a product that a significant number of its community members have serious complaints about.

nah, it's called vocal minority.
I don't read a lot of bitching after the open beta and their 300k concurrent players.

Actually, it's not. All of my friends who tried beta for D3 have the same complaints I do.

It seems more along the lines that all of the "new" Diablo fans (and by "new" I mean all the ones coming from different games (just look at all the WoW forum users on the D3 boards)) are all happy-go-lucky about these changes.

There is absolutely no way for anyone to give an accurate judgement on who is complaining. Small sample sizes such as one message boards simply does not speak for all the people who were looking forwards to D3.

That being said...old Diablo players would theoretically have more to complain about...

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Kasmos wrote:

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kodr wrote:

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johnschroeder02 wrote:

Blizzard on the other hand seems to have built a product that a significant number of its community members have serious complaints about.

nah, it's called vocal minority.
I don't read a lot of bitching after the open beta and their 300k concurrent players.

Actually, it's not. All of my friends who tried beta for D3 have the same complaints I do.

It seems more along the lines that all of the "new" Diablo fans (and by "new" I mean all the ones coming from different games (just look at all the WoW forum users on the D3 boards)) are all happy-go-lucky about these changes.

Actually, it is. :P

Hell, you people contradict yourselves. If blizzard is the money hungry cow-milker you portray it as, and you are in fact not a minority, then why haven't they changed the game to your likings?

Also, I'm a huge fan of D2 and I will be playing the hell out of D3.

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AgentDave wrote:

Iboughtdiablolol

I bought Diablo 1 and Diablo 2 on release day, I wear a Diablo costume in my every day life, I eat Diablo branded food, drink Diablo branded drinks, my PC is a Diablo and I modded POE to look like Diablo (replaced everything with sprites).

Diablo 3 sucks.

Edit: I tried Diablo 3 and it played okay, the game itself wasn't bad, but it's streamlined. As a customer it's your duty not to buy Diablo 3, because if you do it means you like to take it raw and dry from big companies.

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xxnoob wrote:

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AgentDave wrote:

Iboughtdiablolol

I bought Diablo 1 and Diablo 2 on release day, I wear a Diablo costume in my every day life, I eat Diablo branded food, drink Diablo branded drinks, my PC is a Diablo and I modded POE to look like Diablo (replaced everything with sprites).

Diablo 3 sucks.

Edit: I tried Diablo 3 and it played okay, the game itself wasn't bad, but it's streamlined. As a customer it's your duty not to buy Diablo 3, because if you do it means you like to take it raw and dry from big companies.

The point is that one should not assume that because one is part of Group A (people who played old school Diablo, for example.) that all Group A people feel the way you do.

You're entitled to your like, dislike, indifference, or love/hate relationship with D3. As I am entitled to mine.

If you review my post history, you will see that I mostly post to criticize people who post (what is in my opinion) false or misleading information, not to praise D3, criticize POE, or the like.

Also, I don't really appreciate the mischaracterization. When I feel like posting "trolololololol." I'll post it myself, tyvm. When I make a serious post with a serious point, perhaps you should respond, I dunno, in a serious manner?

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AgentDave wrote:

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xxnoob wrote:

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AgentDave wrote:

Iboughtdiablolol

I bought Diablo 1 and Diablo 2 on release day, I wear a Diablo costume in my every day life, I eat Diablo branded food, drink Diablo branded drinks, my PC is a Diablo and I modded POE to look like Diablo (replaced everything with sprites).

Diablo 3 sucks.

Edit: I tried Diablo 3 and it played okay, the game itself wasn't bad, but it's streamlined. As a customer it's your duty not to buy Diablo 3, because if you do it means you like to take it raw and dry from big companies.

The point is that one should not assume that because one is part of Group A (people who played old school Diablo, for example.) that all Group A people feel the way you do.

You're entitled to your like, dislike, indifference, or love/hate relationship with D3. As I am entitled to mine.

If you review my post history, you will see that I mostly post to criticize people who post (what is in my opinion) false or misleading information, not to praise D3, criticize POE, or the like.

Also, I don't really appreciate the mischaracterization. When I feel like posting "trolololololol." I'll post it myself, tyvm. When I make a serious post with a serious point, perhaps you should respond, I dunno, in a serious manner?

You want a serious post? You're a pathetic excuse for a consumer, you're the perfect consumer in the eyes of greedy and powerful people, the same people who run Blizzard now, because you will throw money at them even if they want to make your gaming experience worse.

Blizzard had good reputation, now the only reputation it has is it makes casual games and is stepping over the line with intrusive DRM.

Enjoy getting disconnected when you're playing single player in hardcore against a high level boss.

And don't waste your fingertips because I am not gonna reply to You again.

Let's keep it civil. The POE forums have been great for civil discussion with a lack of flaming and name calling.

That'll probably change eventually with an influx of thousands of players... but we can try to keep a culture at least.

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xxnoob wrote:

You want a serious post? You're a pathetic excuse for a consumer, you're the perfect consumer in the eyes of greedy and powerful people, the same people who run Blizzard now, because you will throw money at them even if they want to make your gaming experience worse.

Blizzard had good reputation, now the only reputation it has is it makes casual games and is stepping over the line with intrusive DRM.

Enjoy getting disconnected when you're playing single player in hardcore against a high level boss.

And don't waste your fingertips because I am not gonna reply to You again.

1. Please don't insult other people.
2. Boy you will be outraged if you find out about the PoE shop... there are some people here that "throw" a great amount of money at GGG. Blizz wants to make your gaming experience worse... mhm.. sounds unlogical and false. Blizz pays hundred thousands of dollars to give the their dev team enough time to try out different game mechanics and so on.. and you know why? Because they want their game to be succesful and fun to play (great gaming experience ;)).
3. Blizz reputation is still good, because they keep delivering good products. There is a reason they developed the #1 MMORPG, #1 aRPG and #1 RTS

4. Wow.. I actually agree, the online-only thing is shit.. but sadly thats a trend that started with steam years ago.

5.You do know that disconnects can also happen in PoE, which by the way, doesn't feature a Singleplayer either. And if your internet connection isn't stable,... don#t play hardcore.