Fragile bloom?

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aggromagnet wrote:

It's a decent way to counter or recover from a variety of DoT's/non-hit damage effects. RF, Rage, Blood Rage, Golden Rule, Heartbound Loop, etc, etc. The dex side of the tree is really skimpy on life regen, so some dodge/eva builds could get very good use out of it. But I can think of a number of non-dodge/eva builds that can benefit from it nicely as well.

It's a pretty good rework overall, IMO.

This is great idea. Thank you. Exactly is great against DOT damage.

Also, as some people on reddit have already stated, that thing will be great for lab. Iirc traps do not hit, so you get a ton of lifereg to just blast through lab. No more being cornered in a trap gauntlet with 0 flask charges and low health.

Way better than the old version, I'll grab one just for lab :'D

well, in harvest you could pull some 75/75 block(with the help of glancing blows) + 75/75 dodge kintsugi+wind dancer RF scion shenanigans. Blocking afaik don't count as getting hit (including when glancing blow is allocated). With maxed block+dodge, only 1 out of every 16 hits hit you, rest of the time you aren't hit. Should be good enough. But to fully utilize these kind of build probably need an aura bot support, give you damage and/or boost flat pdr.

Blocks always count as being hit, whether you take damage or not.

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aggromagnet wrote:

Blocks always count as being hit, whether you take damage or not.

supposed to, but last time it was checked, neither wind dancer nor kintsugi evasion differences took place on block.

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SIQI wrote:

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aggromagnet wrote:

Blocks always count as being hit, whether you take damage or not.

supposed to, but last time it was checked, neither wind dancer nor kintsugi evasion differences took place on block.

You're looking at something wrong. Kintsugi works as intended with blocking and still getting evasion boost (just tested myself to re-confirm). I don't have Wind Dancer to test with, but I'm pretty confident it does as well. You have to be hit to block. That's how block works.

Keep in mind that eva/dodge occur before block. So on a high eva/dodge char, you won't see the boosts from being hit occur as often.

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aggromagnet wrote:

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SIQI wrote:

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aggromagnet wrote:

Blocks always count as being hit, whether you take damage or not.

supposed to, but last time it was checked, neither wind dancer nor kintsugi evasion differences took place on block.

You're looking at something wrong. Kintsugi works as intended with blocking and still getting evasion boost (just tested myself to re-confirm). I don't have Wind Dancer to test with, but I'm pretty confident it does as well. You have to be hit to block. That's how block works.

Keep in mind that eva/dodge occur before block. So on a high eva/dodge char, you won't see the boosts from being hit occur as often.

That last check was some near 6 months ago, but i just tested it again with kintsugi. I do not get evasion on block.
I used a random std character, put on kintsugi, allocated unwavering stance so i cannot evade. have on max block ascendant. and get hit by 1 ledge archer in a1. I also have 0 dodge, so I can only be either hit or I can block a hit.
when i block. the evasion does not rise, only when i actually get hit.
How do i know this? because if I have been hit recently, my ev should rise, but there are prolonged cases of hits coming at me where my evasion does not rise, hence i am assuming that a hit blocked does not count as a hit taken, you've been hit but managed to block the hit? Idk, I reported it as a bug some long time ago, but this is still the case.

I'm not really sure what it is you're doing or seeing or how exactly you're testing. I have a max block Gladiator (87%) in Delirium, with moderate evasion (6920/33%) and no dodge. I tossed on a Kintsugi and went into a zone (A10 Desecrated Chambers), and I have no problem getting the eva boost from blocks (8321/37%) consistently from individual mobs.

He's still idling there now getting pounded on by the same mob more than an hour later, enjoying his unneeded evasion boost... :P

Just noticed some Exile from nearby apparently came to join the fray while I was away. Spamming traps at me without a care in the world.

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aggromagnet wrote:

I'm not really sure what it is you're doing or seeing or how exactly you're testing. I have a max block (87%) Gladiator in Delirium, with moderate evasion (6920/33%) and no dodge. I tossed on a Kintsugi and went into a zone (A10 Desecrated Chambers), and I have no problem getting the eva boost from blocks (8321/37%) consistently. If I stand in the middle of a pack of mobs wailing on me, it goes up and stays up.

He's still idling there now getting pounded on by the same mobs more than an hour later, enjoying his unneeded evasion boost... :P

Just noticed some Exile from nearby apparently came to join the fray while I was away. Spamming traps at me without a care in the world.

Edit: It could also be that you're simply not getting hit.

I wrote the testing method in my post...if you are standing in a pack, then obviously you are going to have constant EV boost, because 10 guys hitting you is easily over 10 attacks per second. Go somewhere clear like ledge, isolate someone slow attacking so you can count the hits (which in my case was the lone ledge archer in act1), allocate unwavering stance so you cannot evade (meaning either you block an incoming hit or you don't); then when you count the lone hit coming in, you should see that 87% block being reflected in the results and the ev raise will no longer appear constant, you will see some attack animations happen without a resultant EV raise.

Edit: also your maximum chance to block is probably capped at 82%, 4 from glad, 3 from anvil, 1 more possible from shield corrupt would boost it to 83%.

I totally moved out of the pack and isolated myself with just 1 mob (and was editing my post to remove the packs part as a result, since it was no longer relevant). I'm still seeing the eva boost go up. I also took unwavering stance. Maybe there is some other interaction occuring on my end or yours. I'll look into mine further later.