One with Nothing ( Hollow Palm) users on POE Ninja are using wands...
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People troll poe ninja all the time. I put stupid shit on my hc characters once in a while and I actually get whispers asking how I'm still alive... I'm talking about obvious things like ci + eb and they legit get confused.
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" Based on this and the last reply, you don't seem to be a practical player, but more along the lines of copy what other people post kinda person. I was originally running a zerker, but he's the first character I failed to get through merc lab before maps. The 10% increased damage taken needed more gear to compensate for than I had. Got him mapping, made barely any chaos but got a tab out of the menagerie. That, along with the constant explosions practically invisible in delirium meant I wasn't gonna be able to run him melee outside of cyclone and if I was gonna bother with that I might as well dedicate the build to it. So, when I decided to try hollow palm, first thing I had to ditch was my gloves with over 90 res and 89 health. Can't use a shield either so no stats from there too. So when you say dex, my thought is why? Are you forgetting that all that res had to be made up somewhere? You might argue something like helmet, armor, boots, jewelry. But you've got to put in some time before you can afford pretty. I needed functionality in the mean time. Then of course there's the loss of health from the gloves, that's a lot of flat health not to go through the multiplier. Dex basically covers the damage, at even at that 639 dex the initial conquerers maybe got an attack off (aside from drox he got probably 4) before going down. What you completely failed to take into account was I was looking at long term use, and low health isn't practical when you're running a7-a8 constantly. But why are you defending this "build" like its your own and you have some personal stake in it? I know I could net higher damage numbers in a ranger or shadow, but given the health buffs to monsters and the heavy damage in delirium at launch, I went cyclone champ. I didn't have to make heavy alterations to swap into it, just lots of minor adjustments and fine-tuning. But ultimately I think you misunderstood the basic point - while its working wonders now, its not worth giving up so many stats from gear only to have to invest heavily in dex versus utilizing a quality weapon or weapons. Compensating for the flat health loss or res loss on their own would be within reason, but both means compromising one or both of them anyway. Pretty numbers mean nothing if you die when you take that inevitable hit. Yep, totally over league play.
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" Dunno about the wands, but Repentance have very high requirements (300 strength and int), so it's easier to be too weak/ stupid to use them. For other gloves the maximum is around 100, so choosing those gloves would limit you to have one stat below 100. Possibly same reason for the wand. Bird lover of Wraeclast Las estrellas te iluminan - Hoy te sirven de guía Te sientes tan fuerte que piensas - que nadie te puede tocar Last edited by Mikrotherion#4706 on Mar 22, 2020, 2:46:26 AM
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" 639dex is FAR from end game man...why use that as a base of reference? You are undergeared, playing a glass cannon ascend instead of champ, low dex, low life and make grand sweeping statments. Color me WTF. I had almost 600 dex in act 8 man...and not as a Raider either which you implied is necessary to stack dex. This stuff hurts my head, kinda annoying honestly. Anyways, thanks Rufu and Mikro for the explanation Last edited by DamageIncorporated#7815 on Mar 22, 2020, 2:40:27 AM
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" Edit - fixed quote End game starts at t1 mapping. But I'm also taking in previous experience and working knowledge. My cycloner is 86 now and I'm betting I'll lose interest before 95. Sure, if gear gets upgraded again I'll have more points freed up but otherwise that only leaves up to 9 potential future points. Even if they all went to health nodes or jewels with flat health, I'm still a long ways from 6400-6500, and we all know even there that's still vulnerable to one shots in high tiers. I was originally planning on a devoto's but I ended up finding a stark and realized just how starved I'd be for flat health. Could go tri res or dual res and dex plus health in a rare at the cost of the attack speed, but I have a starkonja's and I still need a quality 6link to replace the tab. Also, being familiar with both the shadow and ranger tree, I know fitting health over there is challenging after a certain point, so even if I went with a dex class I'd still be hurting on total hp. I've experimented enough and searched enough of the cluster jewels to know they aren't gonna provide a miraculous solution. In other words, you can net crazy damage but the cost is a lower health pool. Now, if you've got immense in game wealth and don't bat an eye at 100ex trade, then you can afford to upgrade slots with perdy gear to reduce the drain on your tree. But like I said, the whole reason I got it was just because it was more cost effective than an actual weapon. But to push it to the limit, not gonna be within my budget. It's not like I need to hit that extreme to kill all the major bosses anyway. Yep, totally over league play. Last edited by SeCKSEgai#6175 on Mar 22, 2020, 3:06:32 AM
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You need to learn the term " opportunity cost". Darn right you ditch Starkonja's. You have no resists on belt ( Cyclopian Coil), no resists on gloves ( not wearing any), no resists on boots ( Garukahn's Flight) losing the attack speed it offers is nothing. You have a whole passive tree, and cluster jewels to utilize. It's not like you're locked into Starkonja's. (edited a big oops. Yes Starkonjas has dex, but so can a rare.)
You seem resistant to be told you don't know what you're talking about, and no amount of info will convince you, so not sure why I'm replying. I had more dex then you before even finishing act 8. Try and at least hit 900 dex, then you can talka bout whats good and whats not good about it. Last edited by DamageIncorporated#7815 on Mar 22, 2020, 2:48:59 PM
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starkonja's has 50-70 dex
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" It's great to be scolded when someone doesn't even realize stark's has dex on it... I mean the reason I don't go coil is because you're hurting for res and health, so extra dex isn't an issue when damage isn't the problem... Neither of you seem to grasp the concept of where I find issue. It's not the damage output I'm having issue with. It works very well with impale and the high base damage means a lot less variance, not to mention not having to dedicate points to crit. Is it worth it to build entirely around it? My impression is no, because for the amount spent to make it really shine, you could also spend that on a weapon based solution and not have to give up 4 sockets/links and all the potential stats on the gloves and whatever would be net out of the weapon slots. I mean shit man, my characters are public, and of the two characters in delirium one is pretty much stripped so its pretty easy to tell which one is running hollow palm, aside from the gem and all that. Yep, totally over league play.
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" You are literally impossible to talk to. I'm so done. Where did I indicate I don't know that? A rare can have dex, life and resists. You know...resists? the things your short on if you wear Cyclopian Coil, and Garukhan's boots? That would require actually spending currency though which you seem to not want to do. " Haha, I wouldn't go there. " You really don't have any idea how much damage you can get with it, do you? " Ahh yes, the undergeared one with with less than 700 dex, no proper cluster jewel set up, Cyclopean Coil or Garukhaun's Flight boots. That one. Now, it's been interesting in a waste of time kind of way but I won't reply further : / Last edited by DamageIncorporated#7815 on Mar 22, 2020, 2:36:47 PM
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