@Lutbot macro set confirmed by Zizaran in his latest video - [GGG replied as GREY AREA]

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Necrotekk wrote:

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satanttin wrote:

just wondering here how can they even find out? xD

Macros that aren't realistic such as activating all your flasks and 3 abilities at the exact same time could be logged by the server, but you can just add a like .25s pause in between actions and it probably couldn't tell.

It's true, adding a semirandom delay between flask presses is how people have been successfully evading bans for years now. If they catch you it's still bannable but it's fucking hard to catch. This is why I wish GGG would just make officially sanctioned in-game flask macros, because as it is, this is just an ongoing unfair advantage for cheaters.

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codetaku wrote:

Farystar, this topic is pointless as this question has been answered many times, all in the exact same way every time. If you don't understand after all past explanations, that doesn't mean you should make a new topic asking the exact same question, it means you should focus in more as to why you don't understand all of those past very, very clear answers. Once your underlying knowledge is filled in, the previous answers will just make sense.

What are you talking about. I never ever participated in any macro thread before...nor have i used one before. Because this SSFHC race will be extremly hard...i would use a simple allowed logout Macro. So i have 0 expirience, what is actually 100% safe, because i wont risk my account.

Codetaku is saying, you could have searched up this topic without making a new thread about it.

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codetaku wrote:

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This is why I wish GGG would just make officially sanctioned in-game flask macros, because as it is, this is just an ongoing unfair advantage for cheaters.

"This particular form of cheating, and it's absolutely cheating, is very difficult to detect. Rather than fix the game design that allows this particular form of cheating to yield an advantage, or searching for a way to better detect the cheating in question, we should just enable the cheating for everybody and throw our game wide open to cheating of any and all sorts."

That's...that's not great logic, Code.

Reverse question for you, since Farystar has already gotten the same answer the last seven hundred thousand yayhoos who didn't bother to research macros also asked and thus his participation in the thread is no longer necessary...



...if a such theoretical "Official Macro System" was implemented in PoE, a list of multi-command options so people could do the stupid thing and just hammer every flask they own every two and a half seconds, or otherwise set up other semi-automated routines because actually playing Path of Exile when one is playing path of Exile is too much like work...

Would that constitute grounds to place an absolute ban on any other form of third-party macro usage detected? Would you be kosher with "if we catch you using a macro that isn't in our integrated macro tool, you're out"? Because that's the only way this stays remotely under control. If they say "okay, we'll allow some macros in with this official tool, but other stuff is still on a questionable basis because macros are totally cheating but we can't police them well", then everything explodes forever and people start bitching and screaming and shrieking that they're not allowed to just bot freely and run entirely automated map-clearing scripts across two hundred alternate accounts.

Macros are cheating. Grinding Gear's policy is only the way it is because detecting the types of macros they've stated they're willing to permit is effectively impossible. Making cheating into not-cheating is not how you deal with cheating.

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Lynerus wrote:

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satanttin wrote:

just wondering here how can they even find out? xD

I think the best answer would be unless someone reports you i dont think they would find out :P

Also i dont really get that your allowed to use macros but not x macro... you either can use macros or you cannot

well i stil have the trade macro installed even though i don't play trade league anymore but it's nice to see quickly how much something is worth or not:P the logout macro eh never used it. a flask macro? don't need it barely use flasks xd but that might just be me :')

I found this @lutbot macro optimized for POE. Looks very nice,all the things you actually need. <3

http://lutbot.com/#/

Lutbot macro set confirmed by Zizaran in his latest video - Link found in the decription [SAFE TO USE]

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Farystar wrote:

Lutbot macro set confirmed by Zizaran in his latest video - Link found in the decription [SAFE TO USE]

Unless you can link to a statement from GGG confirming this or have an e-mail from them confirming this, then claiming this is a false statement.
Zizaran can say whatever he wants but that doesn't mean that it's GGG policy....

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DoubleU wrote:

Codetaku is saying, you could have searched up this topic without making a new thread about it.

Yes, exactly.

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1453R wrote:

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codetaku wrote:

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This is why I wish GGG would just make officially sanctioned in-game flask macros, because as it is, this is just an ongoing unfair advantage for cheaters.

"This particular form of cheating, and it's absolutely cheating, is very difficult to detect. Rather than fix the game design that allows this particular form of cheating to yield an advantage, or searching for a way to better detect the cheating in question, we should just enable the cheating for everybody and throw our game wide open to cheating of any and all sorts."

That's...that's not great logic, Code.

It is when you actually understand the software in question.

Are you suggesting flask cooldowns like D3 has? Because I think those are absolute dogshit.

Getting better detection of flask macros would require an enormous abuse of power by GGG, essentially searching your system for software in use and doing something on that basis. It's possible but not something any power-user would ever, ever accept a game doing to their machine.

So since there really isn't a good way to change flasks without giving them wholly artificial cooldowns, an in-game way to configure multiple flask usages at once would therefore no longer be cheating. That doesn't somehow open the game to cheating of other sorts. Why would it? Something offered within the game (and although I hate that many people are using them just to get an edge, some people have severe RSI so I understand the need a bit more even though it's still definitely cheating for now) is definitionally not cheating.