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ya, i feel like its more tuned to 4.0 moving forward rather than immediate use. its kind of limited for now but when 4.0 lands and we have four 6-links in our bow it should cover what most builds are trying to achieve id think.


given how insane the base damage of spells has got and the fire damage over time multipliers we can now stack on spell weapons im not entirely convinced youre gonna turn your back on pizza popcorn blasting etc. Sure 7L but look what u can get with shaper/elder/essenced items. If the bow had 40% fire dot multi on top Id be a lot more interested.

So many + gem sources, whats the base damage on say a lvl24 fire trap? I bet its obscene, and then ur stacking 70% fire dot multi and probably a good 160% increased damage from dual sceptres while ur socketed in a horror essenced elder hat or hysteria shaper gloves... youre essentially on an 8 link at that point and since corrupting an item isnt like murdering 6 links, ur just trashing gloves and hats u threw a few essences on so ur going for the +2 aoe gems/+2 duration gems/+1 socketed gems double corrupts. I dunno how you really balance ignite so that this bow is good and yet the potential for fire spell ignite builds isnt so disgusting that you still wouldnt consider it an option.

They're clearly just trying to plug this as the next budget Burning Arrow bow after the new Burning Arrow buff.

And, you know, it'll work for that.

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Snorkle_uk wrote:

attack speed isnt really an issue with most ignite builds, youre not looking to spam a dozen hits into something, you just want to smack it as hard as you can once to maximise the burn, maybe twice if you can double ignite.

Attack speed is an issue on every attack build as it fundamentally effects the playability of your character, movement skills etc and a bow with a 90-400 variance is going to need to do multiple attacks to actually get a good burn going on average (assuming your double igniting with burning arrow here).

Its like doing a bow bleed build with puncture, a crafted citadel bow should be the best but realistically it feels like such garbage to use punctures 70% base attack speed with the slowest bow that you may as well use a thicket and stack faster.

Note bow is still nicely buffed and might actually get used just disagree that attack speed doesn't matter :p

The attack speed isn't quite as relevant for an ignite proliferation build though. And for situations where it could matter more, such as against some harder bosses, swapping in barrage support could help compensate well enough.

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innervation wrote:

This is gonna be a good Chieftan melee bow in 4.0

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Draegnarrr wrote:

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Snorkle_uk wrote:

attack speed isnt really an issue with most ignite builds, youre not looking to spam a dozen hits into something, you just want to smack it as hard as you can once to maximise the burn, maybe twice if you can double ignite.

Attack speed is an issue on every attack build as it fundamentally effects the playability of your character, movement skills etc and a bow with a 90-400 variance is going to need to do multiple attacks to actually get a good burn going on average (assuming your double igniting with burning arrow here).

Its like doing a bow bleed build with puncture, a crafted citadel bow should be the best but realistically it feels like such garbage to use punctures 70% base attack speed with the slowest bow that you may as well use a thicket and stack faster.

Note bow is still nicely buffed and might actually get used just disagree that attack speed doesn't matter :p

personally Id only ever use a thicket if it was one of those cold damage per dex things.

puncture, last time i played it i used it as a trap. Ive used citadel bows quite often in leagues. the main bow id use for almost anything in the regular bow space is a harbinger



theyre very slow bows like a citadel but from my perspective theyre essentially 95% of the bow use spectrum, and thats for spamming skills, for something where im dotting and not even spamming i wouldnt think twice about using a citadel bow.

Even if im spamming tornado shot, lightning arrow, split etc the last thing id look for on a harbinger bow is attack speed, i want phys and crit chance, speed is just nice if its there, if i had an open mod i might even bench crit multi instead of speed. I dont think ive used a thicket since 2013.

That's definitely inefficient for clearing though.

Yes, harbinger bows are the "strongest" which is why they get mirrored but in the meta where every pack dies in a single shot no matter what, thicket bows are rather obviously the best for pack clearing, aka, the majority of farming that the majority of people do in this game.

Harbinger bows are for when you want to boss or delve with physical damage. They used to reign supreme overall, but the meta has shifted a LOT since then, so now even thicket bows can destroy every rare mob with a single shot.


Edit: with that said, this bow should be great for budget burning arrow builds despite the lack of attack speed because prolif can destroy *multiple* packs in a singele shot, so you lose less by not having attack speed.

Move aside Windforce!!!

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Snorkle_uk wrote:

puncture, last time i played it i used it as a trap. Ive used citadel bows quite often in leagues. the main bow id use for almost anything in the regular bow space is a harbinger

Harbingers are the go to for bow builds in general but you usually get attack speed rolled on one as well, I think your underestimating how many thickets get used these days though, crit is pretty trivial to get to high values now.




I went for this in legion which felt pretty good for puncture, I actually shelved a similar citadel bow because the attack speed penalty made it feel awful, I was playing a non crit version though as we didn't have the juicy multipliers they just added.

Nice bow for Ignite Fireball.