Divinity is not the only path to enlightenment

I just realized it competes with memory vault for guardians so maybe not BIS for them

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DivineChampion wrote:

. I agree that people who haven't killed Shaper (who is the basic 1st step of the endgame in PoE) should not talk about the endgame.

That's an incredibly stupid thing to say, though because that's a miniscule part of "endgame", gated behind RNG. Some people (like me) play as much as time allows and do have quite a bit of experience even without ever having killed that dude. There are also streamers and guilds .. experiences can be shared, opinions can be formed on those shared experiences.

In short: grow up.

BTW, what constitutes "endgame" lays in the eye of the beholder. The problem with statements like this is that you guys seem to think only your definition is valid; screw those filthy casuals they only make 95% of the players.

Also calling *me* toxic is quite ironic, isn't it ?


I would suggest a campaign along with a petition to make GGG lock everyone out of those forums that have not killed shaper, because apparently that is what you need in order to argue an opinion about PoE. I'm sure a IHAVEKILLEDSHAPER circlejerk is lots of productive fun.

Well people who did not kill shaper should not spread false information about items and general end-game, that is misleading and is bad for new player IMO.

pity the crown looks like a helmet made out of a battered bucket

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DivineChampion wrote:

This is not what he said. What he said is - people should only talk about something they experienced with. No Shaper kill = no experience with endgame, and i personally agree with this statement.

But then again people could come in and say, you have never killed Uber Elder, you didn't experience the true endgame, just saying

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dyneol wrote:

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DivineChampion wrote:

. I agree that people who haven't killed Shaper (who is the basic 1st step of the endgame in PoE) should not talk about the endgame.

That's an incredibly stupid thing to say, though because that's a miniscule part of "endgame", gated behind RNG. Some people (like me) play as much as time allows and do have quite a bit of experience even without ever having killed that dude. There are also streamers and guilds .. experiences can be shared, opinions can be formed on those shared experiences.

In short: grow up.

But HOW can you have an oppinion on something when you just heard about it? That is nonsense and I hope you know it.
If you really want to kill shaper nearly every build nowadays can do that with ease, on hardcore yeah it's always the thing with 1 miss-step and you start over but it is not a big deal, even Uelder is not a big deal nowdays. Don't get me wrong, I don't care on who posts a comment on something, but if you have not killed it yourself, don't talk about it like you have.

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Natalia_GGG wrote:

Divinity is not the only path to enlightenment

Of course not, power is. Just like runaway inflation in countries with shaky governments, so too is power creep in PoE a major problem for which GGG is not caring to slow down. Give us 333% increased armour and ES + 16% more life, then raise the base creature dps levels to attempt to balance, and GGG thinks all is good. Unfortunately, this strategy causes even more old gear that isn't buffed to be rendered useless and thrown into the bit bucket.

But GGG is the same as any game company is and in some ways is caught in the same trap. It is human nature while playing PoE or any game to want to find bigger/better gear to make the climb to the mountain top (level 100 here) as swift and easy as possible. To that end we seek out gear with more and higher stats. GGG decided that the best way to try to get players hooked on PoE and play forever is to treat the players like a junkie. As a real addict needs more and more of a drug to get their high, so too do players of PoE need ever higher gear stats on items to get excited when one drops or is crafted. So the only thing really worth discussing about power creep is how fast should it be and what GGG will do with all the old gear that is rendered useless with each new item introduced that ups the power level. The mountains of trash gear in Wraeclast and Oriath is ever growing and is likely to bury the islands soon.

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dyneol wrote:

that's a miniscule part of "endgame"

No it's not.

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dyneol wrote:

, gated behind RNG

No it's not.

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dyneol wrote:

Some people (like me) [...] do have quite a bit of experience even without ever having killed that dude.

No you don't. If you haven't killed Shaper by yourself - you can't have experience of killing it.

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dyneol wrote:

There are also streamers and guilds ..

So now you have PhD in neuroscience because there are people who has real PhD in neuroscience and you once read science magazine written by those people? I don't think so.

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dyneol wrote:

experiences can be shared

No it can't.

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dyneol wrote:

, opinions can be formed on those shared experiences.

Opinions can be shared, experience - can't. That's why it is called "experience". Someone who has experience with something can share his/her opinion about the subject, but the person who received this shared opinion can only repeat opinion of that person without having its own (until he will have its own experience with the subject).

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dyneol wrote:

In short: grow up.

Since this phrase is completely detached from anything written here, my guess is - this is something you are hearing a lot about yourself.

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dyneol wrote:

BTW, what constitutes "endgame" lays in the eye of the beholder. The problem with statements like this is that you guys seem to think only your definition is valid; screw those filthy casuals they only make 95% of the players.

At the moment you made up 95% as fake statistics, your argument lost any discussion value. But i will still reply to it. Nicolaus Copernicus said "Solar System is heliocentric", everyone else said "Solar System is geocentric". Guess who was right? Think about it. "Opinions" of casuals of any kind should never be taken into consideration.

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dyneol wrote:

I would suggest a campaign along with a petition to make GGG lock everyone out of those forums that have not killed shaper, because apparently that is what you need in order to argue an opinion about PoE.

Nope - you need to kill Shaper (as well as other endgame bosses multiple times) in order to have opinion about endgame in PoE. You are welcome to have any opinion about something you have experience with (and this is not endgame in PoE).

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dyneol wrote:

Also calling *me* toxic is quite ironic, isn't it ?

No i didn't. I called your response "toxic". Yet everyone can have his/her own opinion on this subject based on your posts:

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dyneol wrote:

That's an incredibly stupid thing to say

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dyneol wrote:

I'm sure a IHAVEKILLEDSHAPER circlejerk is lots of productive fun.

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Just the typical you-have-never-killed-shaper-while-i-did kneejerk contributing absolutely nothing of substance to the argument. It's safe to ignore those.

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DivineChampion wrote:

This is not what he said. What he said is - people should only talk about something they experienced with. No Shaper kill = no experience with endgame, and i personally agree with this statement.

But then again people could come in and say, you have never killed Uber Elder, you didn't experience the true endgame, just saying

And it would be correct argument. If player hasn't killed Shaper - it guarantees that he is not familiar with endgame, meanwhile if player has killed Shaper - it only means he killed Shaper, but not whole endgame. It is like - you are not sailor if you can't swim, but if you can swim - it doesn't make you a sailor.

items busted for bad builds, won't be worth over a high value crafted helm for poggers builds.

Probably about where it should be tbh