labyrinth is piece of shit i have ever seen in all games i have ever played.

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EnjoyTheJourney wrote:

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Learn the mechanics for the first two stages so you can decide if you want more keys or an easier lab run.
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Since Labyrinth content is so horrible and not fun, I don't want to learn anything about it. So I instead always use the following cheat sheet. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1607249

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Turtledove wrote:

(...) is so horrible and not fun, I don't want to learn anything about it.

You know that this is what kids say about everything at school?

If you don't understand something, it doesn't mean it is shit.

If you're going with a VP into lab and die, it means you don't know game mechanics.

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Nomancs wrote:

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Turtledove wrote:

(...) is so horrible and not fun, I don't want to learn anything about it.

You know that this is what kids say about everything at school?

If you don't understand something, it doesn't mean it is shit.

If you're going with a VP into lab and die, it means you don't know game mechanics.

You are making up stuff that had little to do with my post.

I understand the horrible lab. You are being ridiculous to think otherwise. I never said lab was shit because I don't understand it. I decided lab was shit way before I understood it. Now that I understand it, I'm even more certain that lab is shit and not fun.

Now to your school nonsense, school is important. It is almost required for a person in a developed country to be able to make themselves into a contributing individual in society. You are once again being ridiculous to think anyone needs to learn PoE. What kind of nonsense is that?

I assume your main mistake is thinking that just because I don't like lab then I must not understand it. I didn't say I died in lab. I said I continued on without switching pantheon to Ralakesh with a VP character because the content is so horrible I didn't want to redo any of it. That has happened multiple times to me. I only bothered switching out VP very early after lab was released. Lab is very easy after learning the horrible content and it is no longer worth wasting the time or a refund passive point. I guess you don't understand lab mechanics if you think otherwise.

They have put a lot of work in lab, some of it I like.

If your char has low regen (life,ES) and low defenses it becomes much more difficult. With huge damage it doesn't matter a lot in lab 1+2.

I have done lab 3 with over 20 different builds.
Most of them made it at first try.

I have tried lab 4 3x with a L85 Juggernaut with good life reg and 70k armor.
Died 2 times at boss (3rd time I made a mistake before).
Before boss lab was easy except 1 or 2 short "medium" moments.


What I don't like:

a) Boss mechanics are not explained. Kill adds/totems or keep distance?
Even after reading wiki I don't know enough and remember all well.
Is that's the reason why boss is so much harder than rest?

b) Traps where you have to stand in the circle and follow it.
Take too much time. I skip them whenever possible.

c) Lava traps. Boring as b). What you have to do is to wait a lot. Bäh!

d) Disconnects ruin your run. No waypoint inside and/or portals.

e) Long ways through traps to switches (and back) can be extremly dangerous.
That depends on traps and room layout.

Point a) is the only real problem for me.

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Jerexil wrote:

They have put a lot of work in lab, some of it I like.

If your char has low regen (life,ES) and low defenses it becomes much more difficult. With huge damage it doesn't matter a lot in lab 1+2.

I have done lab 3 with over 20 different builds.
Most of them made it at first try.

I have tried lab 4 3x with a L85 Juggernaut with good life reg and 70k armor.
Died 2 times at boss (3rd time I made a mistake before).
Before boss lab was easy except 1 or 2 short "medium" moments.


What I don't like:

a) Boss mechanics are not explained. Kill adds/totems or keep distance?
Even after reading wiki I don't know enough and remember all well.
Is that's the reason why boss is so mich harder than rest?

b) Traps where you have to stand in the circle and follow it.
Take too much time. I skip them whenever possible.

c) Lava traps. Boring as b). What you have to do is to wait a lot. Bäh!

d) Disconnects ruin your run. No waypoint inside and/or portals.

e) Long ways through traps to switches (and back) can be extremly dangerous.
That depends on traps and room layout.

Point a) is the only real problem for me.

Izaro would be a great boss in my opinion, if he wasn't in lab. Since he's the main gate to overcome to be done with the bad content it means that I don't want to learn the boss mechanics the fun way. Which is playing the boss a lot. Instead I use a cheat sheet. The first two phases of Izaro can be critical in making the third fight really tough or not. Sometimes you want to kill Izaro quickly in an early phase and sometimes you want to first disable or kill stuff that will give him huge buffs in later phases making him especially difficult. Sometimes you might even want to let him be buffed to get an extra key. Learning all that would normally be fun for a boss but not for the lab boss, at least not for me. Therefore, I use a cheat sheet for Izaro.

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Turtledove wrote:

Now that I understand it, I'm even more certain that lab is shit and not fun.

No, you made your mind about something and refuse to change your opinion no matter what.

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Turtledove wrote:

Now to your school nonsense, school is important. It is almost required for a person in a developed country to be able to make themselves into a contributing individual in society. You are once again being ridiculous to think anyone needs to learn PoE. What kind of nonsense is that?

If you say, that people need to learn only at school and don't need to improve in later life, this conversation will be fruitless. You want things for free, I want to improve and work for my stuff.

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Turtledove wrote:

I assume your main mistake is thinking that just because I don't like lab then I must not understand it. I didn't say I died in lab. I said I continued on without switching pantheon to Ralakesh with a VP character because the content is so horrible I didn't want to redo any of it. That has happened multiple times to me. I only bothered switching out VP very early after lab was released. Lab is very easy after learning the horrible content and it is no longer worth wasting the time or a refund passive point. I guess you don't understand lab mechanics if you think otherwise.

So if I don't agree with you, and I like the lab, then I don't understand lab mechanic? This is a bit twisted logic here.

Lab is not hard - it is designed to punish careless people.

I assume you're playing standard, so you can do lab once - why do you care about something you're not doing anyway? There are plenty of people that like the lab. Only people that want the game easy complain about it.

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EnjoyTheJourney wrote:

You need a good life pool in case you make a mistake fighting Izaro the Boring.

What makes Izaro boring compared to any other boss of the game ?

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Nomancs wrote:

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Turtledove wrote:

Now that I understand it, I'm even more certain that lab is shit and not fun.

No, you made your mind about something and refuse to change your opinion no matter what.

Wow, you think you know my opinion about what I think is fun even better than I know myself. I feel very sorry for your family and those close to you.

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Nomancs wrote:

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Turtledove wrote:

Now to your school nonsense, school is important. It is almost required for a person in a developed country to be able to make themselves into a contributing individual in society. You are once again being ridiculous to think anyone needs to learn PoE. What kind of nonsense is that?

If you say, that people need to learn only at school and don't need to improve in later life, this conversation will be fruitless. You want things for free, I want to improve and work for my stuff.

I didn't say any of the nonsense you think I say. Funny you think you can read my mind but you can't even read what I write!

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Nomancs wrote:

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Turtledove wrote:

I assume your main mistake is thinking that just because I don't like lab then I must not understand it. I didn't say I died in lab. I said I continued on without switching pantheon to Ralakesh with a VP character because the content is so horrible I didn't want to redo any of it. That has happened multiple times to me. I only bothered switching out VP very early after lab was released. Lab is very easy after learning the horrible content and it is no longer worth wasting the time or a refund passive point. I guess you don't understand lab mechanics if you think otherwise.

So if I don't agree with you, and I like the lab, then I don't understand lab mechanic? This is a bit twisted logic here.

Lab is not hard - it is designed to punish careless people.

I assume you're playing standard, so you can do lab once - why do you care about something you're not doing anyway? There are plenty of people that like the lab. Only people that want the game easy complain about it.

You are horrible at reading the written word. Almost as bad as you are at reading my mind. It is fine with me if people like the lab. You are the silly person that thinks people that think lab is not fun just don't understand how to play it and then hold a grudge or something because they can't even like it after they learn how to get through the not fun traps. This is all in spite of them saying they don't like it because it is not fun.

I play standard about half the time and the league half the time. I played one character in the league and one character in standard this league. The 18 before my account name indicates that I played in this league. I'm surprised that you couldn't just read my mind and know that though?

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Turtledove wrote:

Over 430 threads discussing labyrinth problems with over 1040 posters in support

I've checked your post count, I would guess 70% is yours. It really seems like your personal lab crusade.

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Turtledove wrote:

The 18 before my account name indicates that I played in this league.

No.

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Turtledove wrote:

I feel very sorry for your family and those close to you.

Jumped from lab to personal, wow. I'm out, this is not a conversation anymore.

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Nomancs wrote:

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Turtledove wrote:

Over 430 threads discussing labyrinth problems with over 1040 posters in support

I've checked your post count, I would guess 70% is yours. It really seems like your personal lab crusade.

If you'd taken the time to investigate the linked threads and the posts written in those threads then you would've seen that those are individual threads and individual posters listed there.

Too many 'would' in that statement sadly.

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Nomancs wrote:

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Turtledove wrote:

The 18 before my account name indicates that I played in this league.

No.

It doesn't? Damn! I got it wrong all those years!