PoE 2 needs an Auction House

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bluecometxD wrote:

Obtaining low value items is tedious because people don't often reply to whispers asking to buy low value things so you end up having to shotgun out tons of whispers to get the low value thing you wanted that should have been easy to get.

Obtaining high-value items is easier via trading because people don't usually ignore whispers asking to buy a valuable item.

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bluecometxD wrote:

Trading is an incredible chore.

Obtaining low value items is tedious because people don't often reply to whispers asking to buy low value things so you end up having to shotgun out tons of whispers to get the low value thing you wanted that should have been easy to get.

Obtaining high-value items is easier via trading because people don't usually ignore whispers asking to buy a valuable item.

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Xzorn wrote:

This is actually the major player in why game economies inevitably fail unless the bar is consistently pushed forward by expansions, level caps or other means of economic "resets".

If items are never consumed, lost or broken they will always saturate the market and lose value which results in a chain of other events. It's all based around the simple factual flaw that players don't like to lose their items. Heh, esp if that game allow player looting.

Games with the most successful long term economies have durability, lost/stolen items and an overall need to replace even the best gear which is ideally facilitated by other player interactions creating not only a competitive market but a competitive resource to furnish that market.

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BlaqWolf wrote:

A huge document that is 100% self-rationalizing to avoid a demanded feature.

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Unquietheart wrote:

Another key element I didn't mention (above) is that most combat abilities in EVE require some form of ammunition, which in turn is also player created. Imagine needing to buy special Alchemical fuel to make your spells work in PoE. Imagine not buying enough, and running out 9/10s of the way through a key boss fight.

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Shagsbeard wrote:

Here's why it can't happen: PoE is a game that thrives on finding items of value. You would (and Blizzard did) think that an AH would be a natural inclusion for a game like this. It's not. It ruins the game. It removes the value from items too quickly. You no longer would value anything except that which could be bought and sold on the AH, and if the game were to provide those items for you to sell, there would have to be far too many of them to make a market viable.

The difficulty we have trading in this game is the only thing that is keeping items valuable. If trade were easy, the supply of items on the market would increase close to 100 fold. People wouldn't have a reason NOT to list items. We'd quickly see that items that weren't the best would have no value at all. "Good enough" would be free. Once that's established the reason to play the game is gone. It would no longer be fun.

You think that being able to sell your items easily wouldn't effect the market... that the buyers you trade with would still be there buying your stuff. They wouldn't. They'd be buying better stuff, or once they did, wouldn't be buying stuff anymore.

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Xzorn wrote:

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Unquietheart wrote:

No, it's a document by a professional game designer with a keen understanding of his game system. A document written to explain to non-game designers why a feature they might like might not be good for the EVE Online is an MMO. (To mention just a few of the key differences here:) It uses a shared overworld where players compete for resources. Most equipable items (such as ships) aren't actually items, they're consumables. They are by their nature in the EVE universe, transitory, disposable.

This is actually the major player in why game economies inevitably fail unless the bar is consistently pushed forward by expansions, level caps or other means of economic "resets".

If items are never consumed, lost or broken they will always saturate the market and lose value which results in a chain of other events. It's all based around the simple factual flaw that players don't like to lose their items. Heh, esp if that game allow player looting.

Games with the most successful long term economies have durability, lost/stolen items and an overall need to replace even the best gear which is ideally facilitated by other player interactions creating not only a competitive market but a competitive resource to furnish that market.