we should be able to use oils on corrupted amulets and talismans

first of all that new mecanic is destroying all old corrupted amulets and the current market.

second, every talisman/amulet droping or divination card giving corrupted talisman/amulet are irrelevant.

third, everyone hates first and second.

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prooff69 wrote:

first of all that new mecanic is destroying all old corrupted amulets and the current market.

Ähm, no offence but are you new to the game? That is exactly what happens all the time to standard's items over and over again!

Is this thread seriously a complaint about the effects of a league mechanic on the STANDARD economy?

What part of mirror and corrupted items can never be modified further do you not quite comprehend?

And this is part of STD... Shit get made, its mirror tier for a while, then another player or same player in some cases makes something better. Tis the cycle of life in STD economy and items therein. If they could be modified further (Corrupted or Mirror Items) nothing would be much more broken... and thats the last thing this game needs is more broken shit..

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Demonoz wrote:

What part of mirror and corrupted items can never be modified further do you not quite comprehend?

And this is part of STD... Shit get made, its mirror tier for a while, then another player or same player in some cases makes something better. Tis the cycle of life in STD economy and items therein. If they could be modified further (Corrupted or Mirror Items) nothing would be much more broken... and thats the last thing this game needs is more broken shit..

I didn't expect such answers from players who spend so much money in POE.

why Don't you guys just agree with this, instead of supporting and spending more money to see in the end all your gear becoming bad compared to new stuff. kind of skyzos who enjoy being fucked ain't you ?

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prooff69 wrote:

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Demonoz wrote:

What part of mirror and corrupted items can never be modified further do you not quite comprehend?

And this is part of STD... Shit get made, its mirror tier for a while, then another player or same player in some cases makes something better. Tis the cycle of life in STD economy and items therein. If they could be modified further (Corrupted or Mirror Items) nothing would be much more broken... and thats the last thing this game needs is more broken shit..

I didn't expect such answers from players who spend so much money in POE.

why Don't you guys just agree with this, instead of supporting and spending more money to see in the end all your gear becoming bad compared to new stuff. kind of skyzos who enjoy being fucked ain't you ?

If you cant understand the reasoning as to why corrupted and mirrored items work the way they do then i simply can not help you... Its pretty clear once you have a solid understanding of the game, mechanics, and itemization.

Again its about what little balance is actually left in the game. Power creep is already fucking enough of the game up as it is the last thing the game needs if even more.

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prooff69 wrote:

first of all that new mecanic is destroying all old corrupted amulets and the current market.

second, every talisman/amulet droping or divination card giving corrupted talisman/amulet are irrelevant.

third, everyone hates first and second.

Point #1 is hard to defend, for reasons that posters have gone over already in this thread. Not impossible to defend, but it relies on lots of highly subjective statements. So you won't get anywhere with that, trust me.

Point #2 is relevant, however. Guys, remember when abyss belts were introduced? They made regular belts mostly irrelevant. What is key here is not that they made existing belts mostly irrelevant but that they made all future dropped regular belts mostly irrelevant as well. I.e., they removed options for one big chunk of late-game gearing. (There are exceptions, but not enough to negate this point.)

Removing options is nearly always bad in an ARPG, and certainly bad in this case, where multiple belt types were all made defunct in one fell swoop.

Back to the point: Certain div cards which used to drop something useful once in a blue moon now can't even do that, practically speaking.

In short, adding complete replacements for old items without reworking or removing the old items from the drop table hurts the game, because it creates more moments of "Oh cool, an ABC dropped and I can use/trade it for--oops, um, never mind. It's garbage now because GGG added XYZ in the last league."

That is just not fun.

There are freaking strong corrupted implicit because corrupting an item has the drawback of making it unchangeable ( apart from sockets for armour pieces ).

You can annoint an item and corrupt it later, you can potentially have +2 curses amulets like this ...



Regarding standard, like everything else, it will merge when the league ends, old corrupted items don't matter.
Talismans do not matter either, corruption needs such a drawback, we don't even know if annointing will be possible after the league ends.

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gibbousmoon wrote:

In short, adding complete replacements for old items without reworking or removing the old items from the drop table hurts the game, because it creates more moments of "Oh cool, an ABC dropped and I can use/trade it for--oops, um, never mind. It's garbage now because GGG added XYZ in the last league."

That is just not fun.

If only GGG actually cared about standard economy ...
( they do a little bit, the minimum that they deem necessary I bet).

Not wanting standard to hinder the game's progress is also legitimate I think.
Now, did the game need such power creep again ?
No, it definitely didn't, but it seems to be the only way GGG think they can keep players interested, so here we are.

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Fruz wrote:

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gibbousmoon wrote:

In short, adding complete replacements for old items without reworking or removing the old items from the drop table hurts the game, because it creates more moments of "Oh cool, an ABC dropped and I can use/trade it for--oops, um, never mind. It's garbage now because GGG added XYZ in the last league."

That is just not fun.

If only GGG actually cared about standard economy ...
( they do a little bit, the minimum that they deem necessary I bet).

Not wanting standard to hinder the game's progress is also legitimate I think.
Now, did the game need such power creep again ?
No, it definitely didn't, but it seems to be the only way GGG think they can keep players interested, so here we are.

I said nothing about Standard.

My point has nothing to do with Standard.

Then, it hardly applies to the context, does it ?

It does not replace anything as it's something that you can just add on top of items you obtain.
Sure, it gives couple of divination cards that give corrupted amulets a little bit less value at most, but that's it (Voll's devotion is still going to be worth using for specific builds though).

Am I forgetting something ?

PS : Talismans in 3.8.0 ? Come on, let's be serious for a second ... have you ever gotten useful / valuable talismans past talisman league ? I personally haven't.
Or maybe one, one that I would use even without annointement because the implicit is a big attribute buffer that I would use anyway.

And on top of that, you can convert amulets ( annointed ones ) to talismans with Betrayal ( Thane in research I think ? )