Toxic Global Chat
" I'm sorry, but if I tell you you should die and I hope you contact a deadly condition, how the hell is the blame on YOU and not ME? I agree that he should simply mute, report and move on, because that's the internet for ya, but to put to blame on him is just ridiculous. Your example makes sense if the case at hand containts hypersensitivity. Ie. I tell you in global chat that you should do better damage numbers with your build than what you are doing currently, and you somehow get offended and complain to other people that I said you are playing your build badly... then I agree, you made an elephant from a fly. But if I tell you to kill yourself, that's me being an absolute jerk. |
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" Those games tend to have very heavy-handed moderation. Also, they often tend to be just more light-hearted, kid-friendly games themselves (Sea of Thieves, for example). 'Toxicity' tends to increase with both playerbase size and competitiveness (be glad PoE doesn't have the latter, though some people here still like to treat it like it does). But I'm not here to make excuses for bad behaviour online. It's bad behavior, and you're welcome to call it out if you like (probably not a good idea though, since they'll just attack you back and so it becomes a question of who has the thickest skin). No, I'm just gonna point out that, at least for some people, the alternative is worse - that aforementioned heavy censorship. It's both more responsiblity for GGG, and more resentment among players. To a point, people accept it. Beyond that point, it just puts people off and crushes interaction (and in some cases even engagement with the game itself i.e. they leave - you may be fine with that, but GGG won't be). So you don't have to make a case for global chat being, to paraphrase Obi-Wan, a wretched hive of scum and villainy. You have to make a case for substantially stepping up the moderation, and argue for how it won't hurt, or hurt much, what we already have. And keep in mind that just because people don't speak up doesn't mean they have nothing to say - it's still there, just suppressed. |
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" Oh hell yes - exactly .. Lets see how many of these big talkers are actually willing to go up to someone, to their face, in the workplace and talk to their co-workers in the same way they post rude, misogynistic, derogatory comments here. Why? Because there is exactly no difference, except here you get to hide behind your anonyminity. You can think what you want - hell - I do, but write mean things? I dont think so. Matt. PS. Is it just me who posts their real name in their posts? Oh wait ... it is. There are 10 types of people. Those that know binary, and those that dont.
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" lul In workplace you are surrounded by people you know or at least by people who share same goal - earn money. Cooperation is necessity but at the same time you don't feel forced (at least you shouldn't feel) to interact with others in polite way because your goal is similar. What could be a real world example is: You are with a group of people talking about books and suddenly some random guy comes in and ask everybody how to make sushi. What is worst this isn't first time this happens. If anybody would tell him how to make sushi you would find yourself surronded by even larger group of randoms asking even more stupid questions. This is exactly what happend here. Global chat IS NOT help chat. You enter global chat because you want to take part in non formal discussion and not because you feel urge to act as community support member. " This is not a letter. BTW check my nick, I guess im writing this post using my real name anyway. Last edited by karoollll2534#2874 on Sep 2, 2019, 7:43:45 AM
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" censorship is a big word. And it does not suit the case here. This is a game made by a company. Not a political forum, run by a government. There is no censorship. There are guidelines a company makes. That's all. That's what i meant when i wrote that allwoing "you" to write "kill yourself" is not a statement for freedom of speech or a beacon of freedom. It is just lazy. And dangerous. More than one time i've seen things in global that are definitely against the laws in my country. And about "the point of no return": we are talking about people telling others to "k*ll themselves" just because they ask questions about an item. We are talking about homophobic, rascist, and what not postings in global. If people would have a problem with moderation about stuff like this: screw them. Really. Trust me, i would be the first to raise the banner when GGG would start to "censor" too much. But there is a (not so fine) difference between allowing a rougher internet-tone or allowing degrading, punishable, misantropic toxicity no company or working, vital community would want anyways. And i find it weird that people throw all this in one bucket. Call each other "nnob" as much as you want. But stop telling people you don't know that they should kill themselves. There is no reason for this. And there will never be. The Sirus fight is a disgrace.
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" Now imagine those people are posting in reddit and here. I think that the extreme RNG nature of this game brings a lot of stress on poe players. Rates and drops in poe are not "just" random, they are exaggerately random and agnostic. Meaning very few things are targetable (boss loot tables and cards for example), BUT the targetable loot is yet again behind an extra layer of rng to compensate (rng for fragments or farming rng currency to buy them). In GD (full content) you have farming routes for specific mats, you can reroll set parts, and besides that you have lootsplosions on higher content (crucible and SR), if i can dress 20 chars/builds in 200-300h then all the power to Crate/GD and to me the player. D3 may be even easier or too easy but then you can direct your farming towards something, kanai cube, kadala, then farming towards higher GR, you don't feel the timesink Everything else in poe is an absolute gamble, you may very well have been wasting one day of farming for nothing but baseline currency drops, and proceed for a week without an upgrade. Crafting in poe with these gazilion useless rolls is an absolute joke and gamble incarnate. And especially, league refresh and "market impact" always always take precedence over > player experience, plus many balance issues and fomo factors caused by the online only setting I think this puts a heavy stress/anxiety and fomo on players, I can tell you the sense of relief when i got away Gives streamers & friends queue priority and leaves supporters who spent hundreds $ packs in the 100k queue. GGG: Don't you guys follow streamers? Last edited by ZaeN#4962 on Sep 2, 2019, 9:49:05 AM
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Expecting moderation with speech you don't aprove off, talking down to ppl,calling them toxic etc makes a community far more toxic then any edgy kid using bad words.
Also the dihonesty here is while no surprise staggering , nobody is defending ppl telling others to kill themselves being racist homophobe etc.(eventho those words have lost any and all meaning) those things are reportable and will be moderated in global. Edgy kids don't bother me much, mainly cause i am an adult and i can shrug it of and i realise there is no real malevolent intent behind it. The ppl who call others toxic and speak down to ppl and want to control their speech are often far more hatefull and toxic towards other ppl then any edgelord will ever be, they just hide their distain towards other ppl behind eloquence and seemingly reasonable requests and statements. [Removed by Support]
Once men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free. But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them “The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.” |
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" have you tried calling your boss toxic or homophobe or racist etc. Or have you tried talking down to your boss? and tried to moderate his speech? See this works both ways if in fact it would work this way cause these are 2 different envirorments and comparing them is stupid. [Removed by Support]
Once men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free. But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them “The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.” |
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@ the OP (and certain other individuals in this thread, but I won't risk a ban... name-shaming and pointing fingers, hehehe)
You are clearly a romantic, no doubt about that. And no matter what people tell you here, in a random game's chat-room, or any other virtual (or real for that matter) place, IT IS A GOOD QUALITY of character, and you should stick to it throughout your entire life. In fact you should be very proud of it too, such a rare quality these days --regretably so. People nowadays are just... consumers, plain and simple, literally devouring everything, only they can't get enough, of anything, voracious appetites n all that. And they gone do everything they can to sway you, and turn you into one of them. DON'T TURN iNTO ONE OF THEM. EVER. All one can do is laugh at their faces. Learn to laugh at their faces. Or listen to some UB40, you know, "Cherry oh, Cherry oh, baby" and that kinda stuff. But it's a long and winding road... Ἀρχή Σοφίας ἡ τῶν ὀνομάτων ἐπίσκεψις -Ἀντισθένης ἁπλοκύων
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Have you never been on the internet? I get told to kill myself atleast 3 times a day. So what? Its just words, they cant hurt you if you dont let them.
And next time use the wiki, and if this does not help, THAN you can ask in the global. IGN: Toxic_Artillery
Obey the Orb: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2161077/page/1 |
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