Dreading the unveil grind in 3.8? Consider skipping it [analysis]

Another question: Does the item base matter? Can you get different veiled mods on rings vs on gloves, for instance?

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DarkLegionary wrote:

Another question: Does the item base matter? Can you get different veiled mods on rings vs on gloves, for instance?

Yes, it's different for each socket.

Yes but I'm just looking for ways to improve my currency especially early league.

Especially early league those veiled items never offer anything good in crafting a stat that you actually need. So can just stick with the normal crafting resistances etc....

So that said you can just dump all these veiled mods in the stash selling for 2c each (or what ever prize is decided by the market).

since I play solo in trade league without a guild or friends "skipping" crafts like this is not an option for me.

on legion I had to look for a craft service myself because bad RNG on crafts or not enough catarina kills but I rewarded the person even tho it was free.

I have 1 more question though, I never took any time to look into these veiling things....


On this website, https://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Crafting_Bench

You can see the mods coming from those betrayal masters....

What I dont understand, the OP said in his opening post that some masters items can have more value, because of the specific stat it will unlock...

But this website pretty much says EVERY MOD except those 10 in the bottum are dropped from Jun, and only those handful are only found from drops from those specific master, however Catarina isnt among those, and im pretty sure he mentioned that 1.....am I missing something?

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Exile009 wrote:

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Cheydinhal wrote:

So from what I get so far is, when ever I find those special veil items from betrayal bosses, I can click on the npc and see what options I get, but not choosing 1.

You can't see the options until you click 'Unveil'. And once you have done that and got to see your options, you have to choose one (can't remove it till you do). If you want to sell it, you have to sell it without knowing what it's giving you - that's the cost you pay in return for the returns from trading.

Mind you that your item needs to be competitively priced, cos there'll be tons of other people also selling their veiled items just like you. And since all the other stats on the items are irrelevant to buyers, your item is essentially perfectly interchangeable with any of the others. So if you want it to sell, you'll have to price it pretty close to the base market price for that particular veiled mod.

This kinda is different from what your original post says right?

Because in that post your talking about bulk items in a stash for 2-3c, and selling those master specific items from like 50c, but now you say you cant know what stat you get until you unveil them? So now im confused

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Cheydinhal wrote:

But this website pretty much says EVERY MOD except those 10 in the bottum are dropped from Jun, and only those handful are only found from drops from those specific master, however Catarina isnt among those, and im pretty sure he mentioned that 1.....am I missing something?

Catarina is there (second one on that list). She's just been called 'Mastermind' in order to hide her identity (since this is themed as a criminal investigation, after all).

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Cheydinhal wrote:

Because in that post your talking about bulk items in a stash for 2-3c, and selling those master specific items from like 50c, but now you say you cant know what stat you get until you unveil them? So now im confused

As I explained to you in one of my earlier replies, you CAN know if the item counts as having a master-specific veiled mod (aka 'Elreon's Veiled' or 'Of Elreon's Veil'). Just need to check the advanced mod description (enable in options and press Alt) to see that. But you won't know what the 3 specific mod choices you'll get to choose from will be when you click to unveil (and having a master-specific veiled mod doesn't mean you'll actually get their unique affix - that only gives you a chance to roll it, not a guarantee).

There's a difference between the item being veiled, even with a master-specific veil, and the items final stats. The former is something you only see before unveiling, the latter is what you end up with after unveiling. For example, 'Elreon's Veil' would be the former, while '17% increased damage while leeching' would be the latter (or '-5 total mana cost of skills' if you were actually lucky enough to roll Elreon's special mod).

I strongly advise you just try this in-game if you're still confused. A picture says a thousand words, while a video might say a million. And I can't make you a video of the whole unveiling process, sorry. But you can do it yourself with any veiled items you get. Be sure to use the Advanced Mod Descriptions key (usually Alt) to check the veiled mod before you unveil it. If you happen to have any master-specific veiled mod items, you'll see for yourself the difference in the name of the mod from regular veiled items. And if you don't have any, just buy one to try using the trade site as I guided you on earlier (don't even need to buy it actually - you can see the description just by mousing over the veiled mod on the search results page itself, assuming you got your search right i.e. searched for master-specific veiled items).

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Exile009 wrote:

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Cheydinhal wrote:

So from what I get so far is, when ever I find those special veil items from betrayal bosses, I can click on the npc and see what options I get, but not choosing 1.

You can't see the options until you click 'Unveil'. And once you have done that and got to see your options, you have to choose one (can't remove it till you do). If you want to sell it, you have to sell it without knowing what it's giving you - that's the cost you pay in return for the returns from trading.

Mind you that your item needs to be competitively priced, cos there'll be tons of other people also selling their veiled items just like you. And since all the other stats on the items are irrelevant to buyers, your item is essentially perfectly interchangeable with any of the others. So if you want it to sell, you'll have to price it pretty close to the base market price for that particular veiled mod.

Wow thanks alot, I get it now haha. Feel so stupid but alot smarter now hehe

What I conclude from this would be that certain of those master mods are very expensive....and people pay alot more (30-50c depending market of course) if an item has the advanced item tip with (just random name) catarina, even though it could still not have the special +1 level to socketed support gems they were looking for and so spending 50c for nothing?

Wow that makes sense now

edit: i checked the trade website, if I search every single of those master veils....

Only Catarina, elreon and vagan seem to be worth more than, the rest are all 1-3c cheapest...

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Cheydinhal wrote:

people pay alot more (30-50c depending market of course) if an item has the advanced item tip with (just random name) catarina, even though it could still not have the special +1 level to socketed support gems they were looking for and so spending 50c for nothing?

Well tbf, that's hardly unusual. Lots of things in this game are like that. Path of Exile is a game with RNG stacked upon RNG, with a side helping of RNG and seasoned with a bit more RNG. You just gotta keep pulling the lever on that slot machine. :)

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Cheydinhal wrote:

Only Catarina, elreon and vagan seem to be worth more than, the rest are all 1-3c cheapest...

League is almost over now, and Standard players already have everything they might want. This advice was meant for new leagues, and should hold up for the first few weeks, but after that people are mostly done setting themselves up and prices tank. Lots of things are like that - leveling uniques, well-rolled flasks, etc. all also only sell well in the first week or two.

After that the real money is in catering to whatever the dominant meta of the league is. That's also when you might want to start on any major crafting projects of your own, including for selling if you hit the jackpot and make a GG item. It's not even a bad idea to buy veiled items yourself then (since they'll be cheap, and you'd have sold them earlier when they were worth much more and so you're still profitable) if you really need a specific craft and don't feel safe trusting your precious stuff to another by using a crafting service to get it.

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