Greater Rifts in POE?

At that level in this league ALL my nodes to go laterally or dig deeper are long, I have a bad layout. True enough, the few short ones I get are like 8-900 sulphite.

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Marxone wrote:

I thought we got delve to prove ourselves. Challenging never ending stuff with ranks.

We hoped it would be, it simply doesn't work that way in reality.

- You must spend more time farming tedious content to get fuel than actually delving.(This is a necessary evil of course, still doesn't make it fun)

- Once you reach a certain point you offscreen/1 shot everything or die, simple. Not fun or challenging by any means.

They obviously either can't or have no interest in making something that is actually progressive and challenging, like we hoped delve would be.

The current state of the game simply won't allow for it. The whole difficulty scaling = hit first and hit hard or die is too ingrained. Combine that with the convoluted, yet also largely redundant defense systems, it's no surprise really.

People who want more difficulty with better drops and no powercreep should really start thinking about their demands, because that is simply impossible. Once your char reached a level where he can trivialize any game content the only way to give you even better stuff is with powercreep. Making the content harder while also increasing the drop quality will only cause and endless spiral where item powercreep fights monster power scaling. Also as long as there are good rewards, GGG will put some sort of entry cost to the content to limit it's access, just like they did with Delve which kinda kills the idea of having content that you can do to challenge your char.

Imo there should be an endless scaling dungeon with no entry barrier and no rewards. It should be an entirely optional thing for people who simply want a challenge. If you want to find better gear, do something else. If you already have the best gear possible and want to test how far it can get you, try this content. Obviously there will be a point where people can't progress further and imo that's a good thing because it means there is always more to strive for.

As it stands right now, if your gear is good enough to do Ueber Elder then there is no point to even try to improve your char anymore and that's a bit sad.

However, i don't think difficulty scaling in a proper manner is even possible in this game as it currently is. With the fact that characters can replenish their life from 1 to 7k in a split second the only way to kill them is oneshot, and scaling damage to the point where everything oneshots doesn't make the game more difficult, just more tedious. Before anything like endless scaling is even attempted they need to cut down the life sustain drastically and adjust the damage accordingly. Life can scale to infinity, that's no big deal but damage scaling is problematic so there needs to be a limit to it.

Lol if u want challenging stuff with no rewards go play arcade

Rpg is about progressing

Chris u derstands that and thats why we have more powercreep

Otherwise how can we feel progressing if there are no items that can improve our character?

Sure, there needs to be carrot on the stick, otherwise you are just chasing whats not there like religious people.

Even the carrot in the form of a completed achievement of challenge point to get some meaningless portal skin is important.
It's not about progressing.

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Marxone wrote:

Sure, there needs to be carrot on the stick, otherwise you are just chasing whats not there like religious people.

Even the carrot in the form of a completed achievement of challenge point to get some meaningless portal skin is important.
It's not about progressing.

ok then

Imagine... the game has nothing to give you to improve your character, means you dont need to improve your mapping time or killing stuff, because you just cant improve anything... Why tf you would grind maps, complete challenges if u cant find anything along the way to improve your char, just brainless killing and killing, why would anyone do it? Just to get a portal skin to continue brainless grind for no reason but now with a new portal effect?

Thats not arcade

Its all about progression

And free mtx's just to keep you play longer, cuz if u play longer u have more time to think about buying mtx or stash tabs and you add +1 to the population of the server, dead server isnt attracted by a new player

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The_Great_Alex wrote:

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Marxone wrote:

Sure, there needs to be carrot on the stick, otherwise you are just chasing whats not there like religious people.

Even the carrot in the form of a completed achievement of challenge point to get some meaningless portal skin is important.
It's not about progressing.

ok then

Imagine... the game has nothing to give you to improve your character, means you dont need to improve your mapping time or killing stuff, because you just cant improve anything... Why tf you would grind maps, complete challenges if u cant find anything along the way to improve your char, just brainless killing and killing, why would anyone do it? Just to get a portal skin to continue brainless grind for no reason but now with a new portal effect?

Thats not arcade

Its all about progression

And free mtx's just to keep you play longer, cuz if u play longer u have more time to think about buying mtx or stash tabs and you add +1 to the population of the server, dead server isnt attracted by a new player

I don't want to take away your precious progression, though i personally don't see any merit in progess just for the progress sake. There is no point improving my char when i can already do all the content with closed eyes.

I just want something to actually utilize and test my chars against, a goal to strive for. That's why i want an endless scaling dungeon so there is always another barrier to overcome and i don't want it to have an entry fee, because then it's just another delve. I want a challenge i can go to without having to worry about sustaining the access to it and without having to grind other boring content in order to do the content i want. That's the main reason why i don't want it to have rewards. If they put generous rewards in it they will also give it an entry barrier just as with delve, so no rewards.

It should be a completely optional thing. There are so many different people with different goals and motivations playing this game and i am sure many, like you for example, aren't interested in this kind of challenge mode and would never play it because they can't progress their char this way but on the other side i am sure there are many players who want that and right now the game provides nothing of that sort. Delve should have been just that but it's not because of that entry barrier.

You can just keep farming what ever you want and have all the powercreeped items you want as i don't really care about powercreep myself, i just saw it mentioned several times in the thread so i tackled it. But let those among us who actually need a carrot to chase have a carrot. If just chase for the chases sake is ok for you that's fine but not everybody is like that.

And just in case someone is wondering, i am not yet at a point where i actually need a dungeon like that, i haven't even killed shaper yet. But i will get there eventually and by the time i've killed Ueber Elder i will probably stop playing this game as there is nothing left to strive for. Unless some challenge beyond that is implemented by then ofc.

Play arcade

It has what u want - u r not able to do any customization with gear and have lots of challenging content

Why r u playing poe?