Einhar's past = Agnar?

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Exile009 wrote:

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UnclePobatti wrote:

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spoc002 wrote:

when is GGG gonna make a fking lore page so we can check all the npcs lore.

If that ever happens, it would be on the Wiki. The Wiki is community-edited; if someone was willing to put in the considerable amount of work needed, they're free to do so. There are already a number of articles that are very heavily lore-based.

The wiki is nice and all, but the lore compilation is way better - https://drive.google.com/file/d/1LBheURlklTg-oXC9SPGt9HNpsMV3grdk/view

That's awesome! I'm going to have a good read-through of that when I get the time because I bet there's a lot of lore in there which currently cannot be found in the game for one reason or another.

I still feel bad that we didn't get the Ezomytes as the fifth Legion - https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2507223/ :/

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Exile009 wrote:

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BloodPuddles420 wrote:

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spoc002 wrote:

when is GGG gonna make a fking lore page so we can check all the npcs lore.

Hopefully never, that defeats the purpose of a game having lore. Go read a book if you want to be spoon fed a story.

They don't need to. The community's already done it - https://drive.google.com/file/d/1LBheURlklTg-oXC9SPGt9HNpsMV3grdk/view

Hehehe, *vomits on teh whole internetz*. That's just awful, way to make the story meaningless community. Not for me though, I won't touch that trash.

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BloodPuddles420 wrote:

Hehehe, *vomits on teh whole internetz*. That's just awful, way to make the story meaningless community. Not for me though, I won't touch that trash.

So many things wrong with that outlook...

What would truly make the story meaningless would be if everyone just ignored it completely, and it was never read nor understood. Problem is, Path of Exile is an action game, and the majority of top-level players just aren't going to take the time between killing monsters to stop and smell the roses, or in this case talk to NPCs and read lore.

Then you have people who're not top-level players, who are willing to take the time to experience the lore, but lack the skill and patience to reach deep enough into the game to experience it all.

So you get the double-whammy of people who're able to access all the lore most likely speeding through content and not reading any of it, while those who enjoy the lore are forever locked-out of huge portions.

And on the subject of being locked-out, if you weren't around in a specific league where lore was available, you have no way to access those piece of lore except through these kind of community writeups. Take Synthesis for example: hundreds of fully-voiced lore entries that are now absent from the game. In my opinion, if the lore is inaccessible then it is meaningless. Access to the lore, even if it's through community works, gives meaning and keeps that lore alive - otherwise it would just be forgotten.

But I don't even see how you reached your belief that having an easily-accessible text copy of a thing renders the original source or subsequent iterations as meaningless. I mean, doesn't that imply that you think any game, movie or TV show based on a book or comic-book story is meaningless since you can always pick up a copy of the book instead?

In PoE's case the lore is there to *support* the game. The lore is not the game. Many players don't care about the lore, and skip it every time they play. If you're so concerned about meaning, shouldn't you be more concerned about those people, rather than the ones who go out of their way to specifically locate and read a community-written e-book?

And if the game can be enjoyed without the lore, why shouldn't the lore be able to be enjoyed without the game? And how does the existance of a document - that you don't have to read if you don't want to - make any part of the game meaningless to someone who does not read it?

I just find it interesting that there's at least one snippet of dialogue where Einhar doesn't refer to himself in third person, possibly implying it's all a bit of an act.

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Mythologicus wrote:

I just find it interesting that there's at least one snippet of dialogue where Einhar doesn't refer to himself in third person, possibly implying it's all a bit of an act.

That dialogue implies that he can't remove his mask. Either it's stuck in place, or he's honor bound to never reveal his face. He's a proud and boastful warrior, just like the Norse archetype he was based on, and such a person would not boast about a thing that he's readily able to demonstrate on the spot unless he's willing to do so.

But it's most probably just a fourth-wall gag GGG inserted, which pokes fun at the fact Einhar is just a game character, and cannot remove his mask because he doesn't have a maskless model :)

Assuming that is what it is, Einhar's already breaking the fourth wall, so his use of "I" rather than awkwardly trying to use the word "Einhar" instead was likely done to keep the gag snappy and comedic. We have to be careful when trying to interpret Einhar's dialogue for this reason - he's full of character, and the occasional comedy line works best if Einhar relaxes his usual rigid speech patterns for a brief moment.

@UnclePobatti you probably got it right

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TreeOfDead wrote:

Einhar = next catarina?

Betrayal 2.0?

Impossible, Einhar is too powerful. Only character so far to interact with a superior plane of existence (as seen in News post about Einhar art contest). Wraeclastian """gods""" are a joke in comparison. Hell, the whole world is a joke, its all a joke, just a joke...