Legion is fun. Headhunter being mandatory to run Embles is NOT.

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Aynix wrote:

League mechanic that encourages clear speed? Oh boi, we haven't had those for a long time, am I right?

(last league that WASN'T encouraging clear speed was Bestiary)

It's not exactly the same. Even with an aura bot slave and HH, you only get X amount of mobs from a single map no matter how fast you run it.

Emblems are slightly different in that the amount of mobs from a single map grows expoentially the more HH/aura botting you have to a point where its not feasible to run it unless youre doing that. This makes it fairly worthless for 99.9% of players to engage in what should be the culmination of the league's content due to those players setting the prices for emblems.

If you watch cutedog's steam you'll see it's not even the same game being played.

It's GGG's call but I doubt they really intended this.

Thats exactly what people wanted for years. For good builds to have more reward, not just be rewarded faster. We never had such thing, everything in the PoE was finite. Legion "maps" are the first thing that has unlimited amount of monsters and you are only limited by your build.

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Aynix wrote:

Thats exactly what people wanted for years. For good builds to have more reward, not just be rewarded faster. We never had such thing, everything in the PoE was finite. Legion "maps" are the first thing that has unlimited amount of monsters and you are only limited by your build.

The problem is that right now you're more likely better off selling the emblems than running them.

Yeah, it's more rewarding to NOT do the league mechanic.

that was also technically always true.

even back all the way when atziri was new. unless you had a build to run her... it was always more profitable to just off load her fragments.


The problem now is that unlike most of that content which would gate the true rewards behind a difficult boss in their own isolated arena, legion has a ton of rare mobs floating around in the main fight.

So now both the method of getting access to the content and running the content are dominated by head hunter.

That is a pretty major problem

As nice as headhunter is, it is nowhere near a mandatory item to run the content.

115 exalts and rising.

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Aynix wrote:

Thats exactly what people wanted for years. For good builds to have more reward, not just be rewarded faster. We never had such thing, everything in the PoE was finite. Legion "maps" are the first thing that has unlimited amount of monsters and you are only limited by your build.

Good builds haven't had better rewards since HC stopped getting different coloured MTX's :p

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Vertal0 wrote:

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Aynix wrote:

Thats exactly what people wanted for years. For good builds to have more reward, not just be rewarded faster. We never had such thing, everything in the PoE was finite. Legion "maps" are the first thing that has unlimited amount of monsters and you are only limited by your build.

The problem is that right now you're more likely better off selling the emblems than running them.

Yeah, it's more rewarding to NOT do the league mechanic.

Inly if your build sucks(read as: get WAY better gear). Sorry.

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Aynix wrote:

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Vertal0 wrote:

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Aynix wrote:

Thats exactly what people wanted for years. For good builds to have more reward, not just be rewarded faster. We never had such thing, everything in the PoE was finite. Legion "maps" are the first thing that has unlimited amount of monsters and you are only limited by your build.

The problem is that right now you're more likely better off selling the emblems than running them.

Yeah, it's more rewarding to NOT do the league mechanic.

Inly if your build sucks(read as: get WAY better gear). Sorry.

Yeah, but that's the problem, don't you see? If league mechanic is useless for players with builds that "suck" - which is like 99%-95% of all player population -, then what is the point of the league?

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Aynix wrote:

You would need to run 5 way battle thousands of times just to get what you invested to buy HH (it seems people want to buy HH just because of legion encounters).
Why bother?

No, that's not accurate if the player in question has any idea what they're doing, and odds are that if they have a headhunter, they know what they're doing.

It's an XP meta, and that applies to gems as well, combine that knowledge with the hungry loop and additional drops and you make insane money. Many of the richest people this league are doing nothing but farming 5man armies with HH and an additional person spamming the waves. Many of the same methods that were done in the prior big XP league, Betrayal, with the pure breachstones. You'll notice with some basic digging that most of the people who hosted those rotations were significantly wealthy as well.

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Vertal0 wrote:

The problem is that right now you're more likely better off selling the emblems than running them.

Yeah, it's more rewarding to NOT do the league mechanic.

Also wrong. You can easily buy a 30c carry, if they know what theyre doing, most will let you keep your loot (or ask a friend, for free), and you will pretty much every time make a profit, sometimes a significant amount of profit. If you don't have to pay for a carry, and can do it yourself/with a friend, you will have higher profits.

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zecoratul wrote:

Yeah, but that's the problem, don't you see? If league mechanic is useless for players with builds that "suck" - which is like 99%-95% of all player population -, then what is the point of the league?

There is a meta every league, and this argument can be used for everything.

"If you've played this game and haven't been playing a clearspeed build the past 6 leagues, what was the point of playing?" To use that logic against that post.