Rage Support!

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ciel289 wrote:

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The_Human_Tornado wrote:

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ciel289 wrote:

its not as strong as you think,because its increased and not more dmg unlike other support gems.
dont get me wrong its strong imo but not broken,have to try it out to see if its really how i exspect it to be.

If its the only source for rage for a gladiator for example it is super strong considering it enables the usage of Berserk skill gem which means shredding everything with 30% more attack damage and 29% more attack speed.

Now combine this with adrenaline from Warbanner and every non phased map boss will be an affair of half a second.

you are wrong... its not more attackdmg and attack speed.... its increased
no doubt its a strong support gem compared to older gems liek faster attacks etc,but if you compare it to a more multiplier gem (ie. melee physical dmg) and you have good weapon (good weapon means the flat bonus adds less % of the weapon dmg) things are getting really close.

lets say the full flat bonus equals to 33% of your weapon dmg,the 25% attackspeed and 50% increased dmg have to make up for the remaining 16% more dmg

reaching 200% attackspeed bonus and 400% increased dmg isnt that hard even with mediocre gear.
so you would get 12% more attckspeed and 12% more dmg which is 8% more than the other gem. considering that you have to ramp up rage and its possible to lose the stacks its not that bad

and plz dont come with "if you add warbanner or something else" these things can and will be added for any other support gem as well

I said it enables utilizing the BERSERK skillgem, read my post again. You cannot utilize the Berserk skillgem without rage so for every non berserker player the Rage gem is the only way to utilize the Berserk skillgem which gives 30% MORE attack speed and 29% MORE attack damage just on top of the flat and that is a huge deal number wise. Might be a pain in the ass to play but at least the numbers are promising a lot.

So again there is NO OTHER WAY for a gladiator, champion, jugger whatever player to get the 30% more damage and attack speed from the Berserk skillgem other than using the Rage Supportgem and that is a huge utility that you should consider in the judgement.

check out the Berserk skillgem:

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2514087/page/1

I came looking up to see if you use this gem along with berserker or scion beserker if you could gain two different charges at once. I doubt this works but no way to test it out to know for sure yet. I wanted to use the gem along side of already being able to obtain rage.

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ciel289 wrote:

you are aware that rage has a 0.5sec duration?

it has a .5 decay rate but there is a 4 sec delay before decay starts

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The_Human_Tornado wrote:

I said it enables utilizing the BERSERK skillgem, read my post again. You cannot utilize the Berserk skillgem without rage so for every non berserker player the Rage gem is the only way to utilize the Berserk skillgem which gives 30% MORE attack speed and 29% MORE attack damage just on top of the flat and that is a huge deal number wise. Might be a pain in the ass to play but at least the numbers are promising a lot.

So again there is NO OTHER WAY for a gladiator, champion, jugger whatever player to get the 30% more damage and attack speed from the Berserk skillgem other than using the Rage Supportgem and that is a huge utility that you should consider in the judgement.

check out the Berserk skillgem:

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2514087/page/1

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seriously
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the "problem" you are seeing isnt the rage support gem at all than...
its like saying the "melee" gem tag is broken,because it allows to make use of the ancenstral totem buffs...

same can be said for arcane surge

this thread is about the rage support gem and the gem itself isnt that much stronger than other support gem

So your .... "problem" .... is the rage skill gem and you do not care what ... "Rage" ... can and will be used for by normal players in their everyday business? Thats why your ... seriously .... "assumption" ... is that nobody gives a shit about the 30% more attack speed / 30% more attack damage Berserk skillgem and its just about the raw flat phys damage and the intrinsical rage stats?

In THAT case, then its a not good gem.

Obviously 84 flat phys, 25% increased attack speed, 10% movement speed and 50% increased attack damage is not as good as 50% more damage of the typical support gem.

Just let me ask you a question: Are you THAT KIND of guy who uses a warbanner just for extra phys damage taken by enemies and accuracy and NEVER EVER plants it for the adrenaline bonus?

just another stupid gem for one handed weapons. no way it's good for two handed compared to 1 handed.

since its generic less damage, I expect to see some zerker RF shenanigans

edit: I actually confused rage and berserking lol, never mind.

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The_Human_Tornado wrote:

So your .... "problem" .... is the rage skill gem and you do not care what ... "Rage" ... can and will be used for by normal players in their everyday business? Thats why your ... seriously .... "assumption" ... is that nobody gives a shit about the 30% more attack speed / 30% more attack damage Berserk skillgem and its just about the raw flat phys damage and the intrinsical rage stats?

In THAT case, then its a not good gem.

Obviously 84 flat phys, 25% increased attack speed, 10% movement speed and 50% increased attack damage is not as good as 50% more damage of the typical support gem.

Just let me ask you a question: Are you THAT KIND of guy who uses a warbanner just for extra phys damage taken by enemies and accuracy and NEVER EVER plants it for the adrenaline bonus?

jumping to conclusions again?
ppl like you are the reason,why we see items or gems killed instead of fixing the "one" broken combination...

screaming "nerf rage" when the skill "berserk" is the real culprit,is simply wrong

atm the rage gain is very limited,but its not limited to the rage support gem (chain hook and probably a watchers eye aura bonus),but that can change in the future

on top of that we havent seen berserk in action and there are a few things you have to consider for the skill as well

1)you need "a lot" of time to reach 50 stacks of rage (atleast 50 x 0.4 sec with rage support gem)
2)you start with 45 rage at best when using berserk and the rage loss increases very fast (after 5sec its already doubled)

even in the best case you wont be able to mantain "berserk" for more than 10sec and after that you need atleast 10sec to reach 50 rage again

the only thing i see really problematic is the gemtag "duration" on berserk,because you can increase the duration by 0.9 from the passiv tree,0.74 from q inc duration and 0.16 from efficacy. (for a total of 2.8 of the base duration)

these are problems of the berserk skill though and not of the rage support gem

Wow, this thread really went... somewhere.

When I made it in the first place, I wasn't even considering Berserk (even though, as has been brought up, Berserk looks pretty awesome).

I was literally talking about the Rage Support, and the combination of how much flat physical damage AND attack speed it gives. Those two combined make the gem MUCH stronger than Melee Physical Damage Support / Damage on Full Life in terms of raw DPS output, because they're the two best ways of scaling attack damage. The flat physical is added to the base damage of the weapon, and scales multiplicatively with all subsequent increased and more and extra modifiers as well as conversion mechanics.

So before you say IS NOT GOOD THO BECAUSE PERCENT DAMAGE IS INCREASED, maybe actually do the math and see the effect two Abyssuses worth of flat physical damage added to your weapon actually has on your DPS. And then consider that this comes with "More Than Onslaught" 's worth of attack speed. For my leaguestarter, it had an equivalent effect on my DPS to a lvl 29 Melee Phys support (58% More Physical Damage).

It's absolutely crazy how strong this is, for a support that ALSO gives twofold utility (10% movement speed and enables the Berserk skill). Ideally, a support gem that gives utility (fortify, maim, etc) doesn't ALSO unconditionally give superior damage to Melee Phys.

You assume that you can always get 50 rage. But it's not.

For some bosses, you need at least 20 sec or 15 sec to warm up before getting full rage. (ex. The Shaper, Uber Elder)