Mastermind of Discord mechanics: anyone know?
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MoD : Damage penetrates 25% [x resistance] while affected by Herald of [x].
Curse: Cursed enemies have -# to [x resistance]. Been playing this game a long time yet.. always weary to double check when I see things worded differently. Does Mastermind of Discord have the ability to lower resistance below zero? Or, if th enemy simply has no more resistance to penetrate, does it do nothing? Any bright guys out there? Also... if it doesn't reduce below zero, is there an order of operation with curses: say MoD reduces first, then the curse can take below zero. If we do it in the reverse then that is a lot less pen. |
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" Yes. Penetration is well-documented to allow negative resistance calculation. Need game info? Check out the Wiki at: https://www.poewiki.net/
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" Yes, obviously it does and has, that is why I gave one example with the Curse. That doesn't answer my question. |
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No, there's no special interaction that causes lowered resists to cause penetration to lose its ability to affect the resistance calculation into the negatives.
If you're worried about encountering that sort of trap, the only real trap of that sort that exists is the modifier "Ignores Resistance," most infamously on the Inquisitor notable. Ignoring resistances is ignoring the resistance calculation, which causes any negative-resist mechanics (such as penetration or curses that cause -x% to resistance) to take no effect. Need game info? Check out the Wiki at: https://www.poewiki.net/
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Yeah, that is one of the interactions I was thinking of with wording. There are a handful (at least, between items and passives) more out there with similar issues so I wanted to make sure.
edit: The biggest issue is I can't just step out and test it. There is no way for me to verify it in any sort of time-manageable way. |
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If it makes you feel any better, Path of Building was so accurate that its creator was hired by GGG, and if you download and set it against an enemy that is not a boss (aka enemy is assumed to have 0 resistance), then enable a lower-resist curse (like Conductivity), your effective DPS will go up, and then if you enable some penetration on top of that (such as Lightning Penetration Support), your effective DPS goes up again. So, there's a theoretical confirmation since like you said it's impractical for you to get empirical confirmation :P
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" Right. And thank you for the information--but it isn't a curse I am talking about. I already know a curse can lower resistance below 0. It appears, according to PoB, that MoD is a straight penetration reduction. I can take that at face value and roll with it, but I knew that prior to this post, that the PoB dps was higher on 0 res targets with it selected. PoB has been shown to be inaccurate at times (in at least 2 of my other builds), and if the wording means the alternate suggesting I proposed, it would change the value of the node considerably. |
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" Take it from a tri-herald elementalist, pen goes after the resistance lowering effects of curses, thereby increasing your damage. It's part of why worb eles and tricksters are so popular, they abuse shotgunning and resistance pen. |
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To answer one of your questions that nobody bothered to adress directly yet, curses reduce the resistance first, penetration comes after that. Penetration is applied during the damage calculation and basically just treats the enemy as if it has a lower resistance than it has, therefore stacking additively with resistance reduction.
MoD is a simple penetration effect. The only thing I see that could affect single target damage in the given case would be against bosses due to the lowered curse effectiveness. Other than that, there shouldn't be any issues. I make dumb builds, therefore I am.
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" thank you |
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