Shavronne's Wrappings Versus Chaos Inoculation

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SL4Y3R wrote:

People are making this armour seem much much better than it really is. It is a very interesting chest, however, its for niche builds.

It is not an end all OP armour.

Yup. It's a godsend for low-life builds, pretty good if you're actively farming rares for armor, and not optimal for most casters (and CI of course). As someone that has valiantly attempted to make low-life work since PA introduction though, I can't wait to get my hands on one.

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Invalesco wrote:

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Droggeltasse wrote:

You dont need much more chaos resist on other items then any HP build and there is no difference between the amount ES you need on gear between this build and CI. With this armor CI is only viable somewhere between lvl 59 and the point you can afford this armor and respec the points out of it into a low live spec.

actually, you will need more chaos resists on your items as compared to any HP build because HP builds can use flasks to counter chaos DoTs like viper strike and poison arrow whereas ES builds won't have the luxury of that panic button.

Then after your ES melts, you still have the buffer of health where you CAN use the panic button. Good players can probably run it with RF/health reserved and when they see their ES about to pop, drop those auras and preemptively spam potions.

And then if you have ZO and GR, there's a variety of builds that you can keep that ES up even if you're taking huge amounts of chaos damage simply by dealing a lot of damage, which you WILL be able to do if you run RF and PA, etc.

I literally cannot think of a single build where I would rather CI if I had access to a Shavronne's with the links I want. And let's face it, if you can afford this armor, you probably will have plenty of good gear.

well flavour wise the mod "chaos damage does not by pass energy shield" makes sense as Shavronne's pace scholar boots have 35% increased movement speed on full life. When I first saw this I was thinking this is great for a low life build.

I don't think there is a real issue here, my CI character has far better survivability then my low life build. Chaos immunity is pretty powerful. At the very least this will make low life builds HC viable ;)

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pneuma wrote:

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SL4Y3R wrote:

People are making this armour seem much much better than it really is. It is a very interesting chest, however, its for niche builds.

It is not an end all OP armour.

Yup. It's a godsend for low-life builds, pretty good if you're actively farming rares for armor, and not optimal for most casters (and CI of course). As someone that has valiantly attempted to make low-life work since PA introduction though, I can't wait to get my hands on one.

My main is a low life build. This item is just too good, especially for low life. My other option is Koams heart, with Koams, I lose out on a 6L.

@ underomerta, You really think a low life build can survive anything after ES melt?

This item does not have any drawback at all. Even without RF, the damage bonus from Redbeak and PA is huge.

Way too good for a low life build.

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Tomorrow wrote:

@ underomerta, You really think a low life build can survive anything after ES melt?

No, I don't. But I do think the argument that HP builds need inherently more chaos resists because you can spam potions is a bit flawed. Chaos damage to both is pretty bad news. But there are plenty of ways you can keep your ES up.

And let's not mention that you can certainly survive an ES melt with a Shavronne's build than you would with a CI build. :P

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UnderOmerta wrote:

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Tomorrow wrote:

@ underomerta, You really think a low life build can survive anything after ES melt?

No, I don't. But I do think the argument that HP builds need inherently more chaos resists because you can spam potions is a bit flawed. Chaos damage to both is pretty bad news. But there are plenty of ways you can keep your ES up.

And let's not mention that you can certainly survive an ES melt with a Shavronne's build than you would with a CI build. :P

Exactly my point.

One of the biggest draw back of low life build is Chaos damage bypass energy shield. You can easily die to some random poison cloud.

This unique completely takes away this draw back while giving no downside.

I agree with you entirely. There's not enough of a drawback on Shavronne's, and I'd argue it's a straight upgrade to CI in almost all circumstances, especially when you have high end gear (and you need high end gear to make CI good anyway). I just cobbled together a build that would make a FP templar have about 400% spell damage, decent crit, and ZO/GR by level 80 and I don't even think it was done particularly well.

I still can't figure out why people are complaining about how over powered the chest is. I can see the points about how it is very similar to CI. Honestly though, I still think CI is way better. Go ahead and save up and buy your shavronee's wrappings. Then, run a map with xx chaos dmg a second. Guess what, no more ES regen. Okay, so you take zealot's oath.. you are still not going to get the energy shield recharge, only what you can regenerate.

Still not convinced?

Fine, you decide to skip all xx chaos dmg maps. Now, you run into a viper strike mob. Guess what? you've got to wait nearly 12 seconds just to stop taking ES dmg. Have fun going through maps at a snails pace.

The point I am making here is that this unique allows specific low life builds to function with a bit more ease. Sure, any ES build can take this and drop CI. However, you are STILL taking chaos dmg, it just has to hit your energy shield first. Now you have to build up your chaos resist. Planning on running RF? Go ahead and start stacking those regen items + nodes. I think that they have done a decent job of giving ES users a higher end unique that allows some unique builds but isn't the best of all items.

Another point that you are forgetting is that by wearing this for your "low life build" you are giving up the ability to have another 300+ ES from a chest piece. ES chest items can get some crazy energy shield once you start getting into the 72+ maps. Not to mention the fact that they can roll other resist and stats.

The main reason why I am considering this item is to allow me to have a great piece of gear for my low life farming set (100% rarity is great!) and so that I can have 10% recharge reduction while I hold out for a higher ES chest.

The chest isn't the best thing out there, quite honestly it is far from it.

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SL4Y3R wrote:

People are making this armour seem much much better than it really is. It is a very interesting chest, however, its for niche builds.

It is not an end all OP armour.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^

It's not a replacement for CI. Stop making it out to be one.

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draker44 wrote:

Fine, you decide to skip all xx chaos dmg maps. Now, you run into a viper strike mob. Guess what? you've got to wait nearly 12 seconds just to stop taking ES dmg. Have fun going through maps at a snails pace.

Pointing out a few scenarios where CI would be superior is hardly making the case that this armor isn't that good. CI would be superior to high HP builds in those listed scenarios (high chaos dmg maps and viper strike mobs), but it doesn't mean you should be picking CI over the latter.

Not to mention that the specs of a CI build to a Shavronne's build is very similar (nothing a few orbs of regret can't swap between). You could easily spec into CI specifically for maps where this armor would be inferior, and then run this armor in the majority of circumstances because it's straight up better.

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draker44 wrote:

Another point that you are forgetting is that by wearing this for your "low life build" you are giving up the ability to have another 300+ ES from a chest piece. ES chest items can get some crazy energy shield once you start getting into the 72+ maps. Not to mention the fact that they can roll other resist and stats.

The main reason why I am considering this item is to allow me to have a great piece of gear for my low life farming set (100% rarity is great!) and so that I can have 10% recharge reduction while I hold out for a higher ES chest.

The chest isn't the best thing out there, quite honestly it is far from it.

Pretty much every unique in the game is not "the best thing out there" if you look at the possible mods a rare can spawn with. I personally don't see how that's relevant.