Shavronne's Wrappings Versus Chaos Inoculation

Hello Other players and Developer's (hopefully),

Recently with the most recent patch of 10.0.2 Shavronne's Wrapping were released and lets just say there's a lot of division in the playerbase about this unique.

And I'll go ahead and say this straight up. I LOVE THIS UNIQUE. I love the idea of a low-life Build and This single item makes that possible, however I have to say...This item is stupidly designed.

Why? Because it is better in every way to ANY OTHER ES CHEST OUT THERE.

With most unique's you're trading something good and unique for a cost

With Koam's heart you get a crazy amount of health and the cost is lack of sockets on your chest piece.

With lower Base Level items the cost becomes one of choice.

And there are choices with every unique there is.

Except for Shavronne's Wrappings which say to us "Look at me, I'm awesome and I had No drawbacks!"


Not only that but you remember that little passive called Chaos Inoculation? Yeah there's no reason to take that if you can get this save for the odd little Blood Rage build. And I'd argue that Shavronne's is still better for those builds anyway.

So what needs to be done?

There are two ways to approach this.

1: Shavronne's has no sockets. I'm surprised that this wasn't the case all ready. I feel that this single thing brings Shavronne's into a good place. It has a cost, that being no 5/6L on your chest. If you want a 5L you have to go for a staff that causes you to lose a good deal of ES. Congrats, You've implemented a Cost in one simple Step

2: Keep Shavronne's the same, but Change CI( and some other elements of the tree) to be "Similar but different" Some of these changes would also affect the build of a Shavronne player as well.

Chaos Inoculation - Reserves 50% of your health. Grants 40% Chaos Resist, Max Chaos Resist increases by 5 and Chaos damage applies to energy shield first.

By Reserving 50% Health you do two things. 1: You make ES still important as you have a small amount of health under the hood and 2: Righteous fire still does a lot of damage and finally 3: You have to control your aura Reserve trick A Percent based aura just won't work so you have to go with a static cost aura and control your max life and what you link.

So now CI is Similar, but different. Which is better? Shavronne's or CI? Well that's hard to say. With Sharvonne's I have my full health pool as an extra buffer, but I have less Chaos resist that if I had CI. CI give 40% Chaos resist and is the only way to increase your resistance beyond 75%. It becomes a choice. CI becomes worth taking over Shavronne's but Shavronne's is also worth taking over CI.

Personally I'd take Shavronne's Still. The extra buffer of life and the ease of reserving Low Life as well as the fact that I can focus on Zealot's Oath and Pain Attunement instead of having to spend points to get to CI.

Pain Attunement - (Moves to the other end of the tree branching from the marauder Area. Shares the strength node of the area of Knockback stuff on the far end of the tree) Grants 30% More damage.

Allows for a more Non-spell Focused build while getting it away from CI and causes a Low-life Character to need to go a certain way instead of everything it needs being in one area of the tree. This still allows build diversity and My those fire nodes and Unwavering Stance DO sound appealing.


I'd love to read what other feel and while I know that this may not happen I feel better for putting my ideas out there and maybe giving someone some food for thought and maybe we can see some neat changes in the coming months.

Chaos Immunity is still a good stat to be honest.



CI without this chest but with a higher ES chest

versus

Using this chest + stacking ES.



1. CI will still be cheaper because of the ability to neglect chaos res on gear
2. ES won't regen as long as you're taking damage. By using the second option, you'll be forced to wait 12 seconds every time a viper charge is laid on you, before you can recover ES.

In other words, CI is still useful because you get to completely ignore chaos damage and have fewer DoTs to worry about

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Invalesco wrote:

Chaos Immunity is still a good stat to be honest.



CI without this chest but with a higher ES chest

versus

Using this chest + stacking ES.



1. CI will still be cheaper because of the ability to neglect chaos res on gear
2. ES won't regen as long as you're taking damage. By using the second option, you'll be forced to wait 12 seconds every time a viper charge is laid on you, before you can recover ES.

In other words, CI is still useful because you get to completely ignore chaos damage and have fewer DoTs to worry about

To make a valid comparison you should add to "Using this chest + stacking ES" that you can bloodmagic 3-4 auras, get low live passives and abuse the hell out of rightous fire what will effectively allow you to get way more ES nodes since you dont need to invest into alot of agressive nodes.

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Droggeltasse wrote:

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Invalesco wrote:

Chaos Immunity is still a good stat to be honest.



CI without this chest but with a higher ES chest

versus

Using this chest + stacking ES.



1. CI will still be cheaper because of the ability to neglect chaos res on gear
2. ES won't regen as long as you're taking damage. By using the second option, you'll be forced to wait 12 seconds every time a viper charge is laid on you, before you can recover ES.

In other words, CI is still useful because you get to completely ignore chaos damage and have fewer DoTs to worry about

To make a valid comparison you should add to "Using this chest + stacking ES" that you can bloodmagic 3-4 auras, get low live passives and abuse the hell out of rightous fire what will effectively allow you to get way more ES nodes since you dont need to invest into alot of agressive nodes.

theoretically that's true. However, due to the need to get high ES gear on other slots as well as chaos res on items, how many people do you think will be able to pull this off?

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Invalesco wrote:

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Droggeltasse wrote:

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Invalesco wrote:

Chaos Immunity is still a good stat to be honest.



CI without this chest but with a higher ES chest

versus

Using this chest + stacking ES.



1. CI will still be cheaper because of the ability to neglect chaos res on gear
2. ES won't regen as long as you're taking damage. By using the second option, you'll be forced to wait 12 seconds every time a viper charge is laid on you, before you can recover ES.

In other words, CI is still useful because you get to completely ignore chaos damage and have fewer DoTs to worry about

To make a valid comparison you should add to "Using this chest + stacking ES" that you can bloodmagic 3-4 auras, get low live passives and abuse the hell out of rightous fire what will effectively allow you to get way more ES nodes since you dont need to invest into alot of agressive nodes.

theoretically that's true. However, due to the need to get high ES gear on other slots as well as chaos res on items, how many people do you think will be able to pull this off?

You dont need much more chaos resist on other items then any HP build and there is no difference between the amount ES you need on gear between this build and CI. With this armor CI is only viable somewhere between lvl 59 and the point you can afford this armor and respec the points out of it into a low live spec.

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Invalesco wrote:

Chaos Immunity is still a good stat to be honest.



CI without this chest but with a higher ES chest

versus

Using this chest + stacking ES.



1. CI will still be cheaper because of the ability to neglect chaos res on gear
2. ES won't regen as long as you're taking damage. By using the second option, you'll be forced to wait 12 seconds every time a viper charge is laid on you, before you can recover ES.

In other words, CI is still useful because you get to completely ignore chaos damage and have fewer DoTs to worry about

Lol, You have a build with RF and ZO, yet you are telling us how DoT is destroying ES.

You can counter chaos damage exactly the same way you counter fire damage, regen/leech/flask.

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Tomorrow wrote:

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Invalesco wrote:

Chaos Immunity is still a good stat to be honest.



CI without this chest but with a higher ES chest

versus

Using this chest + stacking ES.



1. CI will still be cheaper because of the ability to neglect chaos res on gear
2. ES won't regen as long as you're taking damage. By using the second option, you'll be forced to wait 12 seconds every time a viper charge is laid on you, before you can recover ES.

In other words, CI is still useful because you get to completely ignore chaos damage and have fewer DoTs to worry about

Lol, You have a build with RF and ZO, yet you are telling us how DoT is destroying ES.

You can counter chaos damage exactly the same way you counter fire damage, regen/leech/flask.

Exactly my point. builds who use this chest will absolutely have to use zealot's oath as well as getting +ve chaos resists. Builds who don't use zealot's oath should not use this chest. CI is a better option for ES builds which don't use ZO. Considering how most people propose not speccing into HP nodes and using HP to run blood magic-ed auras when using this chest, how do you think they'll fare in high level maps without ZO when viper charges melt their ES down to 0 and proceed to melt down their HP as well?

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Droggeltasse wrote:

You dont need much more chaos resist on other items then any HP build and there is no difference between the amount ES you need on gear between this build and CI. With this armor CI is only viable somewhere between lvl 59 and the point you can afford this armor and respec the points out of it into a low live spec.

actually, you will need more chaos resists on your items as compared to any HP build because HP builds can use flasks to counter chaos DoTs like viper strike and poison arrow whereas ES builds won't have the luxury of that panic button.

People are making this armour seem much much better than it really is. It is a very interesting chest, however, its for niche builds.

It is not an end all OP armour.

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Invalesco wrote:

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Droggeltasse wrote:

You dont need much more chaos resist on other items then any HP build and there is no difference between the amount ES you need on gear between this build and CI. With this armor CI is only viable somewhere between lvl 59 and the point you can afford this armor and respec the points out of it into a low live spec.

actually, you will need more chaos resists on your items as compared to any HP build because HP builds can use flasks to counter chaos DoTs like viper strike and poison arrow whereas ES builds won't have the luxury of that panic button.

This can be easy countered by zealots oath + ghost reaver + more defensive auras and the fact that you can obviously invest way more points into ES since you only need very few passives that increase your dps since you can run around with rigthous fire spelldamage + pain attunement + redbeak + haste.