Acrobatics and phase acrobatics is a "noob trap" or is good on evasion build?

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Vipermagi wrote:

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SEXYSUPERSATAN wrote:

Even though in theory your EHP is the same in practice that may not be the case. You may as well dodge one attack to get a 33% damage reduction or dodge two attacks and get 66% damage reduction.

Evasion is entirely reliable. With 33% Chance to Evade, you won't Evade twice in a row. It is also a one in a hundred chance that three attacks in a row hit. Possible, but statistically unlikely.

1 in 100? Check the math on that one.


Just to be sure I did it right, I google'd a similar example:
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_probability_of_getting_five_tails_in_a_row

(2/3)^3 = 0.29629629629 or roughly 30% chance to be hit 3 times in a row with 33% evasion.

evasion isn't random, it's a counter. read up on the mechanics page

but if you have 25% evasion, 1 in 4 hits will dodge, every time you get attacked it will add "25" to a counter, when this counter gets to "100" you dodge.

although! the first time a monster attacks you it will be random, wherever that number may start.

But really read up on the mechanics, it will explain it much better.

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FinalBossSC wrote:

evasion isn't random

Well, that seems very odd... (I have other choice of words in mind, but w/e)

...but ok. Sure is weird to have it that way. Based on that info, then I guess pure evasion kinda sucks due to the fact you will more than likely not be able to take the hit once it lands. Maybe if you stacked enough hp? Maybe?

Still seems like combo of armor/evasion would be prevalent.

Evasion has a counter so that if you have 50% Evasion you will consistently get hit half the time and consistently evade half the time.

But that is OT to some extent because this thread is about Acrobatics, which gives Dodge; Dodge is not Evasion and is purely random.

I agree that it takes a bit more skill points than I would like, but mainly I am currently in love with Eldritch Battery so I don't use Acrobatics; EB is just one node and is nearby some other good nodes, while Acrobatics not only takes a lot of nodes, I would also have to take a lot more to compensate for no EB, so I just stick with EB.

Also, I play HC so I need to have as many life nodes as I can and all those nodes to get Phase Acrobatics means less of something else; if you play default league and the purity of all evasion appeals to you then go for it, otherwise I think there are better ways to go with your skill points.

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mibuwolf wrote:

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FinalBossSC wrote:

evasion isn't random

Well, that seems very odd... (I have other choice of words in mind, but w/e)

...but ok. Sure is weird to have it that way. Based on that info, then I guess pure evasion kinda sucks due to the fact you will more than likely not be able to take the hit once it lands. Maybe if you stacked enough hp? Maybe?

Still seems like combo of armor/evasion would be prevalent.

Actually extra big hits won't be negated by armor either. The % you see in the defence tab when you press 'c' is the reduction against an average enemy of your own lvl. But if oyu take a bigger hit than that average your armor will reduce it less (in the mechanics topic you can find the formula - the bigger the hit the smaller the % reduction from armor), so e.g. against Brutus armor won't give you much reduction at all (it would be almost the same as if you went agaisnt him naked)

So you need a lot of life either way, it doesnt matter if you go Eva or Armor (though it is often easier to stack life on an armor based build because you need str to equip you armor which givey you life as well).

I'm quite interested in an eva + acro build but whenever i plan one so many points go for defence (more than for my other builds) that i'm in a far worse offensive position than with other bilds (not using acrobatics).
Though i think it could still work.
For the OP maybe you want a build without acrobatics for your first char to have more freedom for your equipment (with acro you are almost limited to eva only items), which can be quite important for your first char.
I would say try to save the best pure eva items you find with other characters (and they need a lot of life!) and go for a acrobatics build with a later character.

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Vipermagi wrote:

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SEXYSUPERSATAN wrote:

Even though in theory your EHP is the same in practice that may not be the case. You may as well dodge one attack to get a 33% damage reduction or dodge two attacks and get 66% damage reduction.

Evasion is entirely reliable. With 33% Chance to Evade, you won't Evade twice in a row. It is also a one in a hundred chance that three attacks in a row hit. Possible, but statistically unlikely.

I know exactly how the entropy system works but I don't see how this relates to my post.

well thanks all for posts but acrobactics worth on this build? http://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAgYAAMwD2wW1DI0M8g1JDkgQexEvEZYVIBa_GYYeGiCcIuokPCaVJ6kqTSpbKwowcTB8Nj06QjrhPs8_J0BVQ9JJUUt4TZJO51FHUUxVS1ptYeJs9m17bqpvV3BSfVt_K3_GhxmH24hriPGMNo2_koCSzZmamhebtZ2joqOly6ZXpn-nNKdcqn-quKxHrpOxs7TFtUi2973mvjrBAMHzwzrGospKzerSGdQj1orW0dsa3ajigOOE6NbrFOss62PtQfF28-r1S_yr_5M=

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Sony_Black wrote:

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mibuwolf wrote:

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FinalBossSC wrote:

evasion isn't random

Well, that seems very odd... (I have other choice of words in mind, but w/e)

...but ok. Sure is weird to have it that way. Based on that info, then I guess pure evasion kinda sucks due to the fact you will more than likely not be able to take the hit once it lands. Maybe if you stacked enough hp? Maybe?

Still seems like combo of armor/evasion would be prevalent.

Actually extra big hits won't be negated by armor either. ]

I'm aware. Kripp explained it rather well, including some math. Having some is better than 0.