Hello, exile.

Looks good. Love the "if" new look.
She will always be my fav.

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鬼殺し wrote:

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GrunkleBob wrote:

Can this be her in town "Teaching at university like Dr Jones" gear?
And maybe have her rough and ready when you meet her in maps?
It is a little unbecoming of an adventurer.

Hm, that's a fair query. I wouldn't personally trust TencentGGG to be that thorough with their character models but it'd be a very nice touch if so. I always did admire how dapper Dr Jones looked back at the university (as did his students, clearly) and yet how much we as an audience knew it was just a facade. Well, no. Not facade. Aspect. It was a great way to lend an otherwise pretty stock-standard character a lot of depth.

So alright, that's definitely one way that could completely justify this shift in look. When she's not subject to the rigours and hardships of actual adventuring, she likes to get cleaned up and look presentable for herself, if not necessarily for anyone else. It still doesn't look like regulation academic attire to me, but as I noted earlier, hardly the first game to conflate the 'not-so-secret nympho librarian' and 'hot teacher' looks.

I would not be surprised if we get two distinctive Zana models (4.0?), depending in which zone we meet her.

Oriath like/armistice zones = pretty looking/civil-Zana (with Monocle)
Maps = rolled up sleeves, battle armour,no monocle,slightly damaged clothes

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鬼殺し wrote:

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GrunkleBob wrote:

Can this be her in town "Teaching at university like Dr Jones" gear?
And maybe have her rough and ready when you meet her in maps?
It is a little unbecoming of an adventurer.

Hm, that's a fair query. I wouldn't personally trust TencentGGG to be that thorough with their character models but it'd be a very nice touch if so. I always did admire how dapper Dr Jones looked back at the university (as did his students, clearly) and yet how much we as an audience knew it was just a facade. Well, no. Not facade. Aspect. It was a great way to lend an otherwise pretty stock-standard character a lot of depth.

So alright, that's definitely one way that could completely justify this shift in look. When she's not subject to the rigours and hardships of actual adventuring, she likes to get cleaned up and look presentable for herself, if not necessarily for anyone else. It still doesn't look like regulation academic attire to me, but as I noted earlier, hardly the first game to conflate the 'not-so-secret nympho librarian' and 'hot teacher' looks.

Right because she couldn't possible be tough, sexy, and smart....

Sigh, this has been going on since Lara Croft, and much longer than that before video games.

I'm not sure how wearing lace somehow discredits academics in anyway, not to mention someones personal life transcending their professional one. (Why the fuck cant a librarian have an adventurous and healthy sex life)

You are better than this Charan, I think.

In town Zana can be fancy, but in the field she needs to dress down. More leather, gloves, leggings rather than lace, boobs.

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鬼殺し wrote:

bullshit...

Well let's begin with "regulation academic attire" whatever the the fuck that means.

And then you can expand on how a womans looks somehow determines her sexual activity, or is even remotely related to their job function.

Again the hot librarian must be a nympho, because...reasons.

It's an old, tired, trope.

Granted I'm sure I seem hostile out of nowhere, and this might be because of some personal bias my GF experiences constantly, but its exhausting. This entire thread is dripping with misconceptions and sorely lacking an important viewpoint. One that I'm not fully qualified to provide, but can sure as shit identify that its needed.

I hope GGG at least discussed some of this with some female staff while attempting this rework.

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Exile009 wrote:

Why is everyone losing their shit over the monocle, but no one's questioning that she's wearing bloody lipstick?! Maybe the monocle helps her with examining maps or gems or something, but I fail to see any reason why she'd be wearing lipstick. It doesn't fit with the exile aesthetic, nor does it fit with the academic aesthetic. I can picture her using that monocle to examine the Atlas, but not her picking shades from an Oriathan cosmetics shop (she'd likely just walk right by it without a sideways look).

Hi there,

Your post has been edited as it contained content that was ((( needlessly negative. )))


Expect to see this in your inbox, Tencent doesn't want to see your feed back unless its, ohhhh wowow she so hot now want to bang im 12yrs. Remember that next time you post dont want to offend them now, or any other white knights jerkin it to the forums.

Nah. My experience with GGG over the years (since the original open beta) hasn't given me reason to be so cynical. There's plenty of negative reactions to be seen even just in this thread. I don't agree with everything they do, but this hardly seems (to me) to be a particularly egregious flaw of theirs.

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KalAthar wrote:

Wow, she looks great! Oriath must have opened its first makeup store.

I'm definitely excited to see more of the new character models.

**Edit: Why exactly is she supposed to look like a rough adventurer again? Her idea of adventuring is to talk a dumbass (ie- your character here) into plunging into the abyss for her and reporting back, its not like she is blowing up screens like Einhar. It totally makes sense that she is a hottie in this scenario.

She's not meant to look like an adventurer, she's meant to look like an academic. She's an archaeologist and engineer on a mission. But...I don't know about you, but that's not how I've seen pictures of archaeologists or engineers. Well, unless it's on the naughty part of the web...

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鬼殺し wrote:

Do me the courtesy of not calling my efforts at communication and dialogue 'bullshit' this time.

The reason I indicated it was bullshit, is because it is exactly that. Perhaps you don't like being called out, but it is what it is. You 100% have the intellectual capacity and relevant life experience to identity the numerous tropes and eye-winks in this thread, but instead of calling it out, you seemingly participate, or at the very least offer muted ambivalence.

I don't understand. It's disappointing, tiresome, and a number of other adjectives that I would like to add, but most unfortunate is that this type of reaction is not unexpected. (overall not just you)

Anyways, I've probably made this more about me than it should be, but if it comes at the expense of someone at least thinking about what they are reading and typing, perhaps it's worth it.

Back to lurking as continued discussion would just result in you being defensive for the sake of being defensive, when really acknowledgement is all that's needed.

Edit: some grammar

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鬼殺し wrote:

The point is there's absolutely no reason why she can't be both. Indiana Jones was mentioned before as an excellent example of how a character can be both.

Tbh, I never liked Indiana Jones. Too manufactured - he looked and acted like exactly what he was: a made-to-order stereotypical hero by and for Hollywood. His work as an archaeologist seemed almost incidental to his role as an adventure hero. That's not good design, even if it is profitable design. Let's just say I don't want to have to admit that, say, Transformers are good movies - especially in how they featured and depicted an 'inventor' - just cos the public lapped it up.

Sholar explorer by day, dominatrix by night and a little bit of both in twilight?

It all makes perfect sense.

Peace,

-Boem-