the price about exalted

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Johny_Snow wrote:

I feel like people who defend bots are running bots themselves. Maybe GGG should look at them more closely?

I defend trade bots not because I run bot(s) myself, but because they provide very limited, but working “currency action house”. They do not harm anybody, moreover are very helpful for theorycrafters like me. For instance, recently I need to buy 1500 vaal orbs. Finally I did it in 3 transactions with bots, and even such deal took me more then 20 minutes, as many shops did not responded. All via “official” trade site, looks like it refreshes as slow as poe.trade btw. If I would like to buy such quantity from real, non bot players, I could do such thing in at least 25 transactions, with much worse rate and really huge timewasting.

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Domah wrote:

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jackof8lades wrote:

Why is this abnormal? who says 170 is not normal? Define normal.
Yes bots influence the price but so what.

And this has 0 effect on "normal" players outside of some possitives which you prob can't even see.

PPl who need exalts and know how to use them have no problems getting them.

The only ppl that cry about exalts price are money flipper that are toxic for the market.

The price of exalts is not a problem and never will be.
By just playing the game everyone will find exalts or any other currencies they can trade for gear.
They also will find good gears and achieve end game no matter what.

You can even beat the game and kill shaper /Uber Elder in SSF.

So yeah, there is no reasons to cry about the exalts price.

I don't know.. i liked it when crafting a single mod did not cost over 300 chaos orbs

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postrach_myszy wrote:

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Johny_Snow wrote:

I feel like people who defend bots are running bots themselves. Maybe GGG should look at them more closely?

I defend trade bots not because I run bot(s) myself, but because they provide very limited, but working “currency action house”. They do not harm anybody, moreover are very helpful for theorycrafters like me. For instance, recently I need to buy 1500 vaal orbs. Finally I did it in 3 transactions with bots, and even such deal took me more then 20 minutes, as many shops did not responded. All via “official” trade site, looks like it refreshes as slow as poe.trade btw. If I would like to buy such quantity from real, non bot players, I could do such thing in at least 25 transactions, with much worse rate and really huge timewasting.

He's not talking about trade bots, those are godsends.

He's talking about these blokes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVAdhe98nlw&feature=youtu.be that farm exalt cards in act 3 and 7.

Conclusion of this thread:

Not the bot fault.
Not the flipping groups treating this game as a work fault.
Not RMT fault.

The economy design failed by itself. Those are just a little part of the problem, profiting of it's weakness.

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Sixtysan wrote:

He's not talking about trade bots, those are godsends.

He's talking about these blokes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVAdhe98nlw&feature=youtu.be that farm exalt cards in act 3 and 7.

Oh, these cocroaches :) I can assure you, they will never be banned, as they are... very good for GGG's business. Players, who are stupid enough to buy some pixels for real money will buy MTX too – very valuable morons from GGG’s point of view. Current bot infestation ensures the inflow of currency to the most valuable players - those, who can spend real dollars for ilussive pixels, no matter whether it is "exalted orbs" or some shiny "wings". Not to mention the vague connections of RMT shops owners and providers. Some time ago one of them owned significant share in GGG :)

F2P games with any sort of currency or item trading + botting go together like a horse and carrots. You can't have one without the other. To claim that they aren't an issue and don't have a significant impact on the economy of the game is simply ignorant.

Unfortunately there isn't much that GGG can do about it. They would either have to A) Change the payment model for the game. B) Blow tons of money on staff to police the game. or C) Develop or purchase a stellar anti-cheat system.

The sad fact is that game integrity takes a back seat to profitability for online games and it likely will never change.

i dont know if bots are the issue, but wouldnt bots farming lower the price of exalt ?

its more likely, as other people already said, that its the easy way to get those exalt crafts now, so more people need exalts/keep their exalts.


imo, we need to switch away from the chaos/exalt exchange guideline, and just sell stuff in chaos only. at least for now.

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Mizure wrote:

i dont know if bots are the issue, but wouldnt bots farming lower the price of exalt ?

Nope, it's vice versa.

Exalteds are used as primary PoE currency.

Therefore, Real Money Traders (RMT) sell Exalted Orbs for real $$$, not other currency. Bots usually serve to RMT. RMT also sell all other currencies for Exalted Orbs (since they need ONLY exalteds, to sell them for real $$$). Market principle dictates, that several RMT on market, competing with each other for player's Exalteds, will raise Exalted's worth on market.

EXACTLY what we see in PoE!!!

And exalteds cant be "target-farmed", you (and bots, that serve RMT) always gain a shitloads of other currency while "farming" them (for example, running Vault map).

Why does it matter what price exalts are? If they are 1000c and you get an exalt drop, you have 1000c. If they are 10c, then you have 10c.

Value is just a number, the fact that you need one, don't get a drop and have to buy it makes it seem like it's unfair, but that's just it. Farm them yourself then.

Personally, I'd never use an exalt to craft as long as they sell for over 100c. It's just not worth it, unless you're swimming in them.

Also bots farming and selling them is a good thing for the price. The demand with crafting being so popular right now is at an all-time high, without bots, there'd be even less supply to meet this demand and prices would skyrocket.

At the same time though, you'd hit a jackpot if you got one dropped yourself. It all evens out, because the price is the same for everyone.

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Xavathos wrote:

Also bots farming and selling them is a good thing for the price. The demand with crafting being so popular right now is at an all-time high, without bots, there'd be even less supply to meet this demand and prices would skyrocket.

But your own findings turn worthless therefore.

And you've admitted it yourself - you dont use exalteds because... they're too fucking rare, expensive and all-sought to be used for trading, to spend them on "mere crafting".
I see a big problem here. Orbs are means to be used for endgame crafting, or they'll fail to serve their primary purpose. If an orb drops too often, or too rarely for what it really does - it's a problem too!