Is Melee bad???

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MrZaonish wrote:

Melee is viable as everything else.
Melee is not worth it if you can't build it as well as everything else.

Play what you feel like and don't ask people because 95% of them are just guide followers.

Also when you choose a build make sure you have a goal:
Lab farmer?
Delve?
Mapper?
All around?

All can be done on melee as well as any other.

"as well as"? no. Nope. No no no no no. That's the Topic at hand and the point you miss.

Melee is not bad.

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Aim_Deep wrote:

You can get over 3m DPS with slayer cylone. Takes some GG jewels tho.

You have a pastebin for that?

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Farih wrote:

Am new to this game.
Have my own made melee "cleave" build.

Clearing anything with ease so far (up to T15 maps, T16's just don't wanna drop for me)

To me melee seems fine, but then again what do I know lol

Yeah but its about viability and that changes from person to person which is why so many people disagree, instead you need to ask yourself if you swapped in a different gem would your build function the same but better? If your playing the truly melee skills the answer is pretty much always yes.

Cleave is good enough to do everything with, your guy atm does about 350k shaper dps which is enough to do it for sure if you play well albeit a little slowly, you'd do 500~ with bladeflurry though which really isn't any worse at clearing.

But really all the melee vs everything else arguments come down to this

are there any advantages to being melee?

No, you require more defences, better mobility and your damage won't be better. For people to consider melee "viable" I suspect it needs something to be better than its peers or really its just a voluntary hardmode for those of us that like punching stuff in the face.

There are a few exceptions like molten strike doing 1000% attack damage, new tectonic strike hits the entire screen etc but compared to lets say heavy strike? No hope

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Peterlerock wrote:

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Aim_Deep wrote:

You can get over 3m DPS with slayer cylone. Takes some GG jewels tho.

You have a pastebin for that?

Load up my guy The_gay_blade from abyss..include totem...put some GG crit multi jewels in because I took them out. He also had 30K armor with a 2H..shaper/guardians was deathless everytime. We didnt have Uber elder then I may try it.

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Aim_Deep wrote:

Load up my guy The_gay_blade

Ok, Abyssus, damage on full life and conc effect can do stuff, sure.

I just "mathilized" my current cycloner in PoB.

Phase Acro -> Acro only
6.5k life -> 5.5k life
invest 6 skillpoints into two more damage clusters
insert jewels with crit multi instead of life

Also insert stuff I cannot be bothered with, but Mathil does all the time:
*vaal warchief is active
*focus affix with shock / vaal lightning trap
*1L frenzy to manually maintain frenzy charges (or item swap)
*conc effect jewel swap
*blood rage on manual cast
*vaal haste

Oh look, I quadrupled my damage to 3.2 million shaper DpS as well. Still feel a lot more safe and confident with my current setup. ;)

Mathil can do things like that because he wont die even with less defense.
You can have 30 millions DPS, if you will die the second boss fight starts its still worse than 300k DPS build that can facetank everything.

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Aynix wrote:

Mathil can do things like that because he wont die even with less defense.
You can have 30 millions DPS, if you will die the second boss fight starts its still worse than 300k DPS build that can facetank everything.

I was implying this with the last sentence:

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Oh look, I quadrupled my damage to 3.2 million shaper DpS as well. Still feel a lot more safe and confident with my current setup. ;)

You get shit done with 800k too, btw.

And half of the things listed above are "gameplay improvements" that I could just add to my build without any cost in survivability, but am too lazy to do. I'm even too lazy to drop a warchief totem in a bossfight. I walk in and hit the guy until he is dead. :)