Leechers, end game?

I mostly see lf leecher in chat, or leecher lfg. Is this what this game comes down to?

So far this game is far to easy to just run through, not even do anything but than leech at higher levels.

Yes it's what the current end game is, and has been for a good while. I've been nagging the developers about it, but I either get no reply, or "chaos is only temporary". Sadly chaos has been "only temporary" for a good while now ( as long as I've been in the beta at least, which is since the end of last year ). /players command has come up as a band aid, but for whatever reasons that's either something which GGG doesn't want to put in, or it's to much work ( which I find very hard to believe ).

Not for me. I am a lvl 76 Ranger and I can now solo chaos easily with IQ/IR gear on. I have been able to solo it before level 60, but there are a few mobs that I would definitely try to avoid. I did not focus too much on defense, so I can still die if I make a bad decision or if I can't stop a mob. For instance, a monster that is quick naturally, that cannot be cursed and has increased movement speed. Those are fun. I suggest making a portal at the beginning (and sometimes along the way) of a chaos instance just in case you need to retreat.

For looting purposed I do completely understand people wanting leechers. The people who leech are probably afk, but maybe some that do need more levels/better equip.

Calm people, don't worry about that. This is game even hasn't already released. It's only CLOSED BETA. Probably this thing will be changed before full release.

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Sairony wrote:

/players command has come up as a band aid, but for whatever reasons that's either something which GGG doesn't want to put in, or it's to much work ( which I find very hard to believe ).

That command would be easy as pie, its just that the devs want to encourage group play ... but theres 2 major downsides that needs addressing:
-leech (easily fixable with /players command);
-loot (not free for all but instead each party member should see his own loot).

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mobutu wrote:

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Sairony wrote:

/players command has come up as a band aid, but for whatever reasons that's either something which GGG doesn't want to put in, or it's to much work ( which I find very hard to believe ).

That command would be easy as pie, its just that the devs want to encourage group play ... but theres 2 major downsides that needs addressing:
-leech (easily fixable with /players command);
-loot (not free for all but instead each party member should see his own loot).

ya /players X is stupid. blizzard didnt offer it on battle.net because there where real people there. /players was an option for those without people to play with.

I've never made it to chaos yet. but who cares. this game is in closed beta and rocks. things take time

When you recruit your people for the sole purpose of having them sit idle by a portal, and people join groups for the sole purpose of not playing the game to get better you have severe problems. I'm not saying /players is a good long term solution, but it would be an acceptable band aid to a problem which currently makes the game, in my opinion, completely un-fun when you've completed merciless.

I agree that leeching in and of itself is a problem, but we must look at the bigger picture.

If some characters are strong enough to solo 6-man chaos, then why do leechers leech? Wouldn't they be better off getting their own leechers and running chaos themselves?

The answer is the large gap between the end of Merciless and chaos. Characters who have just completed Merciless are simply not strong enough to do 6man chaos. They may even have such problems doing solo chaos (having to go slowly or feeling unsafe in HC) they they prefer leeching since it's more xp for their time.

The solution, obviously, is more areas and a smoother progression between them. Since GGG is teasing us with act 3, I think this is a problem that will solve itself as development progresses.

I would at least like to see something like : not casting debuffs / not doing damage for 20 sec. = no exp to make things a bit harder for leechers.

And sooner or later it will make no difference at all if you have a /players command or not as ppl will just login all their accounts to fill their solo game for all party benefits.
In an online game there should be no commands to make it that easy to get all drop-boni while you don´t have to share items.

My 2 cents(as someone who hasn't gotten to Chaos yet, mind you) is...why is how someone else plays your business? If they want to leech be leeched off of, let them! It doesn't affect you unless they have something you want to buy, and technically if a leecher helped them get that drop from his presence, you -benefit-.

Who loses in this situation? It's a choice, and choice is good, removing choice and enforcing arbitrary things because YOU don't like how SOMEONE ELSE plays is bad.

Now if I'm missing something here, by all means do correct me. But from what I understand, as with most multiplayer games, people seem to be sticking their noses into how others play even though changing it one way or another wouldn't affect that person at all, so they're just complaining for the sake of complaints.

On the upside, if this is all you guys have to complain about, GGG must be doing something right ;)