Vaal skills vs elder and his guardians

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Fruz wrote:

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JKlupper wrote:

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astraph wrote:

I think the idea was that players have to play them unbuffed. No vaal charges, no shit from headhunter, not build up buffs from bloodrage or other various bonuses from ascedancies etc. But also at the same time the guardians would not get the buffs from map mods. I have mixed feelings about it but i do think it is easier to balance them this way.

Ok yeah the map mods thing makes sense.But again on what would I even use the vaal skills then?On every rare?

You are aware that there are many builds relying mainly on vaal skills ?
Ever heard of VMS builds ? Vaal spark builds ? Vaal fireball builds ? ( and many others )
You might still be able to just use those skills 90%+ of the map, and therefore be faster.

And even if you cant use them all the time, you can use half of the time the normal version, and the other half the vaal version making you faster.

You go faster, in a game where speed is all that matter competition/economny wise, what else ??

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iofhua1 wrote:

Answer: nerf flasks so they empty on map transition, and put portal on a 10 minute cooldown.

At least be consistent.

This has nothing to do with consistency, there is a limited number of portals per map, when you portal you go back to town (which makes it consistent to have flasks refilled), and not all bosses allow you to get charges back with adds.
Plus the game is balanced around spikes of damage and the fact that anybody can log out anytime, putting a 10 mins cooldown on portals would be utterly stupid ( especially when people can without too much troubles clear maps in less than 5 minutes ).

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JKlupper wrote:

I assumed people realised that by talking about single target the vaal skills refered would be single target.Sure Vms and ground slam c an be used in maps but what about things like double strike?The discusion was about the purpose of these skills.They don t seem to have a purpose.

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DurianMcgregor wrote:

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JKlupper wrote:

I assumed people realised that by talking about single target the vaal skills refered would be single target.Sure Vms and ground slam c an be used in maps but what about things like double strike?The discusion was about the purpose of these skills.They don t seem to have a purpose.

Just because you don't seem to need them with whatever gear you have doesn't mean they have no purpose.