Path of exile is a free to play?

They should add a single premium tab to the existing 4, or even a half size premium, just so people stop crying about this shit and can use the premium for listing easier on poe trade even tho they could do that free too by posting in the forums ... again, just down to sheer fucking laziness, dont want to pay for anything, dont want to work for anything (probably rl too...), etc etc

This discussion is so obsolete, and the people who are outraged and label this "a big issue" are overreacting a tad too much. Nitpicking on your understanding of words doesn't mean Path has to change anything. In fact, it's great as is. I wouldn't want to go through having to organize myself with 4 stash tabs either, but certainly, it's possible. The f2p label the game has is absolutely correct and anyone opposing that also thinks they're big shots for having 100 exalts in standard.

If you enjoy and appreciate GGG not doing a D3 then you play this game enough to reward them with at least 1 basic supporter pack.

1 supporter pack = you never have to worry.

And you don't need it,you just have to not store bad items and I bet you have plenty of rubbish items.

You can pay for some convenience, I used mules for ages with only 4 free tabs and got along fine. It just requires more load screens, but then I decided to not be a degenerate and support them with a minimal donation.

It's F2P, get over it.

Simple.

OP defines having to buy more stash as pay-to-play.
Since he needs to buy more stash, then this game is pay-to-play, for him.

At first starting the game, this was free-to-play for him, since 4 stashes were "enough".
After enjoying the game and progressing through the game, 4 stashes becomes not "enough", so becomes pay-to-play for him.
Now after having "enough" stashes bought, this game will again become free-to-play for OP.
But then he has to define how much is "enough" for him.

Some will define this game as pay-to-win.
Being able to buy more stash gives you an advantage over others who don't, so pay-to-win.
After enjoying the game and having bought "enough" stashes, I guess it becomes free-to-play again.

So yeah, if we agree to these definitions then at start POE is free-to-play.
And if you enjoyed the game and played more, it becomes pay-to-play/pay-to-win.
But after having "enough" stashes, it comes back to free-to-play, even free-to-win since you have more stashes than everyone else you don't have to buy more and are definitely winning!

Now just like OP, defining "enough" is how long this game will be pay-to-play or pay-to-win for you.

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I can imagine some could even pay for many stash tabs and will still not be able to see the whole game. Also the MTX does not make you faster levelling, maybe you can look more cute or nice, but you will not get stronger by it.
You can have pets to follow you, but they are not fighting for you, well maybe my peta pet is a big killer, cannot see it most of the time, it is so small.
Having stash tabs is nice but not essentiell, you can play the game for long time without spending money for stash.
In a grinding game I like to collect everything, so I bought stash, but it did not made me better in the game.

game is free to play but not "ethical free to play".

This is a fantastic game with a ton of content and incredible depth. Free new content is released every three months, free expansions every 6 months approx. All content is accessible for free.

If you're living on the same planet as me and understand that GGG has to pay their developers, you really should find the f2p model in PoE very forgiving.

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Slaanesh69 wrote:

Not this again.

This forum is seriously just Groundhog Day now.

'now'? Try for the past five years. Big issues never stop being big issues.

True. True.

This one is particularly egregious though. The arguments are purely subjective and it has never gotten ANYWHERE.

It is also especially pervasive because there is no "solution" - it is just a back-and-forth of opinions on which no one budges.

Kind of like my ex-marriage <<ba dum pish!>>

At least the last thread on this had an argument on receiving additional free tabs because of game bloat. At least THAT had a possible conclusion.

Unless this one does too. I won't lie and say I didn't end up glossing over most of the same-same arguments.

There was another thread about linking (one of a thousand of those too) and the comment on game bloat/power creep came up there too.

And I actually agreed for once.

The tab issue. 6L-ing items. Master leveling. Etc. Etc. These are old-school PoE issues that could be addressed. 6Ls are a dime-a-dozen now with all the ways to acquire. I typically don't have one in a League but I have many in Standard. But there are so many ways to get them nowadays, and the power creep is real, so that the difficulty/cost of making one yourself seems ridiculously steep.

And I agree with you on the stashes. Couple of extra stash tabs per person, who cares? Even a premium tab so everyone can trade out of the box, since that seems to be the core design premise. Maybe the premium tab as a reward for killing Kitava in Act 10.