The joys of playing a Meta Build, and how badly Incursion can screw you without one

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MortalKombat3 wrote:

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Boem wrote:

1) it is entirely possible to create tanks in PoE

Nope, it's impossible (unless you dont consider high-level maps, breaches, beyonds, etc). Yes, you can do "tank" for uber lab, for mid-level maps with easy mods, and even for Shaper. But you cant be reliably "tanky" in high-level maps with harsh mods, incursions, breaches, etc. You'll still be killed, no matter how much you invest into defences.

get a zerphi's.

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鬼殺し wrote:

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Boem wrote:

It was in fact, blatantly obvious to the point it's not worth mentioning out loud.

If it's that blatantly obvious that TencentGGG is treating you like idiots with 'the formula' and you're still playing, what does that say about you?

Don't answer, Boem. I think it's evident enough.

Nice condescending closure statement there, i would expect nothing more of a ruler befitting wreaclast proclaiming the community can be "immature, childish and deserves every misfortune that befalls upon them"

Your assuming i play the meta or the game as described in his post instead of creating my own fun with the mechanics that are available within the game.

You think raics is playing PoE "by the formula"? Or perhaps somebody like vipermagi?
No "the formula" is an easily digested beginners course and introduction to PoE.

Get of your high salty horse it's not suited for a ruler.

Life must be fucking hard if your incapable of manipulating your suroundings to suit your enjoyment.

Peace,

-Boem-

edit : here a little tl;dr for our majestic ruler who apparently needs everything laid out nice and tidy in a few words in order to be amazed.

The meta is obvious and always has been, which does not imply everybody enjoys playing the game on easy mode or clear cut pre-made.

One would assume a ruler to understand this simple notion "people don't always do as they are told" but apparently, not in wreaclast.

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鬼殺し wrote:

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Boem wrote:

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鬼殺し wrote:

If it's that blatantly obvious that TencentGGG is treating you like idiots with 'the formula' and you're still playing, what does that say about you?

Don't answer, Boem. I think it's evident enough.

Nice condescending closure statement there, i would expect nothing more of a ruler befitting wreaclast proclaiming the community can be "immature, childish and deserves every misfortune that befalls upon them"

Your assuming i play the meta or the game as described in his post instead of creating my own fun with the mechanics that are available within the game.

You think raics is playing PoE "by the formula"? Or perhaps somebody like vipermagi?
No "the formula" is an easily digested beginners course and introduction to PoE.

Get of your high salty horse it's not suited for a ruler.

Life must be fucking hard if your incapable of manipulating your suroundings to suit your enjoyment.

Peace,

-Boem-

edit : here a little tl;dr for our majestic ruler who apparently needs everything laid out nice and tidy in a few words in order to be amazed.

The meta is obvious and always has been, which does not imply everybody enjoys playing the game on easy mode or clear cut pre-made.

One would assume a ruler to understand this simple notion "people don't always do as they are told" but apparently, not in wreaclast.

Yep, definitely too close to the bone. Sorry.

This is the internets after all, have it your way.

Peace,

-Boem-

edit: fucked up some quotes

alll these flavors...

and y'all choose to be salty.

how about playing the game for the game instead of trying to stack up against others who are using what What WHAAT??? different skills? Ever thought of playing without looking at what other people are doing? Maybe...

playing because you enjoy a certain archetype?

You're halfway there by choosing a skill that doesn't lend itself to stupid clearspeed. Now commit the whole way and OWN YOUR CHOICE to play NONMETA.

I can clear maps in a minute with my wander pathfinder. It's a lot of fun in its own right, but I keep finding myself drawn to play summoners. Do I need to complain that summoners have very little access to movement speed, and can't realistically equip and use a Queen of the Forest?

How fucking stupid would that be?

No, I'll just go on playing with my undead puppets. That's more fun than complaining.

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sidtherat wrote:

So everything is fine yet there are skills that just dont work?

Ice nova
Burning arrow
Sweep
Ice trap

Id like one of you 'good game knowledge guys' to make a good build with one of these.
It is simple but requires some currency, isnt it?

I doubt it. Some skills are junk. Power chasm between meta and regular is beyond idiotic and GROWS each patch..

I wonder what people will play after their arc leveling builds. Because thwre are hardly any stronger builds that this 'leveling' setup. Blade vortex? Spectres? Arc should beat them both.

In week or two people will get their arc totemers and others no ivestment 'anyone can be a hero' setups to 90s and will start looking for another build. But then.. surprise! There is hardly anything comparable

I was clearing Incursions in maps with fucking Vaal Fireball that didn't even do 100k dps. Not meta.


Burning Arrow also does sick DPS with the right bow. You do need currency, but it does really good damage (especially when you throw in Vaal Burning arrow shotgun nonsense)

Yes it's obvious that tencentggg planned and then announced the meta build for the release prior to the release. At least obviously true once the fact was pointed out to me. :-)

Now I'm going to continue working on my pathetic Siege Ballista build and ignoring the meta like I always do. Not saying I always play Siege Ballista builds but that I always ignore the current meta and play other stuff and doing non-meta things like completely clearing maps.

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鬼殺し wrote:

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DTD_Hiro wrote:

Incursion just lets you peek behind the curtain a little easier, to see "The Formula(tm)"

The formula wasn't really around in the early days, but as streamers focus players into the game, the formula was developed.

It's simple and it works.

1. announce reworks of specific skills to be released for soon to release league.
2. large percentage of the player base goes with the reworked skills. Meta is born
3. players who follow the meta are rewarded with a strong build and a positive experience. They also are much more likely to buy MTX.
4. Nerf ludicrously OP skills, rework others, return to step 1 for the next league.

Maybe they tipped their hand a bit this time. Arc and a few others are stupidly overpowered. This might have been done on purpose due to the Tencent purchase. Give the players the chance to be gods for a league so they are less pissed off about the Tencent thing. Or they just went too far.

Either way, players can choose to get with the winning team or suffer the consequences.

Just repeating this wonderful quote, that apparently some of you found 'obvious' and yet never pointed out yourselves. I get the feeling this one's hitting too close to the bone in just how clearly it points out you are and have been manipulated away from playing the game the way you want to play it, and playing it precisely the way TencentGGG want you to play it. This is not what the shifting meta was supposed to be.

So much for 'diversity' and 'complexity'. The game itself might have a thousand rules, but most of those are footnotes and amendments. The winning conditions, which are 'THE RULES' to most players, are short and in very large print. They are TL;DR, just for you.

If what is said above is obvious and thus true, most of you may be little more than sheep in TencentGGG's eyes.

This is funny because i said similar things years ago. Why am i still here? There is nothing better out there. TencentGGG has no competition.

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鬼殺し wrote:

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sofocle10000 wrote:

If TencentGGG don't get PoE "up to snuff" regarding danger/reward ratios, they'll NEVER see a dime from me ever again, not to mention the further lack of ANY support or investment... Simple as that... They actually need to make PoE have a lot less "Mariana's Trenches" regarding balance, functionality and technical improvements, not to even mention QoLs, for me to even consider "throwing" $$$ their way...

sofocle pussyfooting. Now I've seen it all.

Nope, not "pussyfooting" at all. I just want GGG to understand that they really, REALLY need to address most of the problems without "pussyfooting", as they got the "support" of another "third party" to "get up to snuff".

They are no longer that "garage based indie company", and as they grew, so did our expectations! And it's long past due the time most of those were met.

This is also coming from a supporter that threw $$$ at GGG, even when he wasn't behind their "asinine" decisions, but forked support and openly suggested improvements so those issues would actually be resolved.

They don't owe me anything for that, but PoE keeps getting less "fun" for me every patch, and granting GGG various "passes" simply will not do from now on.

They need to "git gud and up to snuff", and work a lot more harder. Throwing "shi##y power creep" at those sore problems doesn't work anymore. They really need to address those the right way.

And if I still have to hunt that f@#&ing Elder in the red maps a lot longer to finally complete the goddamn memory fragment quest (locked at 14/15 for a "few" attempts already), I will just stop playing entirely after leveling my main to 100 - as much as I enjoy attempting and succeeding more times than I would dream to run even "asinine" content without any fear of death, not progressing through that ultimate Zana quest will be the last drop...

Alas there might be some hope left. Things couldn't get a lot worse. Right? /s

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joachimbond wrote:

alll these flavors...

and y'all choose to be salty.

how about playing the game for the game instead of trying to stack up against others who are using what What WHAAT??? different skills? Ever thought of playing without looking at what other people are doing? Maybe...

Might be wrong here, but the point of the thread seems to be you can't fully experience the game if you don't play what the devs want you to and instead go for your spectral throw coc essence drain assassin hybrid.

so.. i decided to try this stuff out - in HC

i started with the FORCED solution: trapper. my HC experience is years old (desync times and bs deaths taught me to not HC-POE if i want to enjoy my time), nor am i a great league starter but..

using 2 link traps in GARBAGE gear i managed to build my temple and kill the boss at lvl 18


this is the gear i did it with:


it wasnt easy - got 'monsters regen' room that made several rares that already had life regen unkillable - but i did it blind, with no experience whatsoever

i would like one of you 'everything is ok, just git gud at building chars' people try and replicate the same with burning arrow. no twink, garbo gear, no effort, pretty much no risk


problem is quite easy to describe (yet it seems difficult to understand):

- builds with VASTLY different 'power' are unhealthy to the game long term (they LIMIT options because crap option is not an option)

- builds that are VERY strong with NO investment are even more cancerous because what you do next after said build? how to find a motivation to play a build that is WORSE yet costs MORE to achieve the same thing? (this limits build diveristy EVEN MORE)

- leveling ('pro' players out there - you need not to apply) using some skills is piss-easy, yet some - looking at you 'glacial hammer', 'burning arrows' etc - are pretty much elite-only. new players wont stand a chance with them. and these skills are given to players at the start of the game. it might not be a problem for 'i play meta only, scrub' crowd, but these new players fund your game, for each one of you there are thousands of scrubs who start this game, pick junk skill and face a f.. wall. you laugh at them? they leave.
because despite what you guys like to believe in - there is no skill in playing 'good' skills. loosing at the character selection screen should not be an option. and binary nature of incursions is pretty much just this - you pick wrong skill (where nothing in the game tells you it is a wrong choice!) goodbye temple building.



i wont even touch horrid itemization - some builds (spells, damage-from-levels skills) benefit INSANELY from current power creep. some skills - attacks mainly, non-converted builds - are GARBAGE by design. and at the end of the spectrum are 2handers and their junk affix pool that looks worse with each patch

i understand that people like to feel good about themselves because they 'know how to make characters' but get real guys - you can slap arc on melee character and it will work.. there is no skill, no achievement in playing arc whatever, flameblast ignite or kinetic blast. game plays itself with SOME skills, while with other builds - it is rather nasty place to be