Too much penetration on tree and items, need 50% cap on that.

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Head_Less wrote:

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Hemmingfish wrote:

There's no cap to elemental penetration because it's got built in diminishing returns, and is generally inefficient to stack. 100% elemental pen against a 0 resistance target results in double damage, but there are better ways to achieve double damage than just stacking pen. The most useful part of penetration is against high resistance monsters - 25 pen is all you need to deal double damage to a 75% resistant monster. You can double it again! For the low, low price of 50 extra penetration.

The equipment and investment needed to pen that much could easily be spent on other things, and here's a tip - it's not penetration that's causing ele to be better than phys, it's %Phys Added as Element mods.

Thks for your answers people, I will comment on this one.

It is true there is diminishing return on pen and so after a certain cap it is less effective. It actually Highlight my concern about the abundant source of pen on items/tree/gear.

If there is really not such importance to stack past a certain cap for the res, why do you think GGG added so much pen for attacks on tree?

As for casters, the new sambar from elder/shapers drops can give you 16% pen, 32% if dual wield.
So without any pen taken on tree a caster can have the equivalent of the pen support using those items (attack ranged can have 20% pen on dual wands).

You are right in most game the pen gem is the only thing you really need but then once you get a wise oak and some other pen on gear you can pretty much throw away the pen support.

So design-wise that much pen available already permit attack/casters build to forget about the support with good gear.

This diminishing return also means a cap on elemental res will not hurt at all players as after the first 25% pen they ll prefer anyway going to some other roads for damage.

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noheal wrote:

who killed in pvp lol....

you need to relax whit all this random nerf whitout some counter balance to them. You removing all this power from players and what they get back? lol

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Hemmingfish wrote:

There's no cap to elemental penetration because it's got built in diminishing returns, and is generally inefficient to stack. 100% elemental pen against a 0 resistance target results in double damage, but there are better ways to achieve double damage than just stacking pen. The most useful part of penetration is against high resistance monsters - 25 pen is all you need to deal double damage to a 75% resistant monster. You can double it again! For the low, low price of 50 extra penetration.

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robmafia wrote:

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Hemmingfish wrote:

There's no cap to elemental penetration because it's got built in diminishing returns, and is generally inefficient to stack. 100% elemental pen against a 0 resistance target results in double damage, but there are better ways to achieve double damage than just stacking pen. The most useful part of penetration is against high resistance monsters - 25 pen is all you need to deal double damage to a 75% resistant monster. You can double it again! For the low, low price of 50 extra penetration.

...you just described 4x the damage, but called it "diminishing returns."